Free scripting dead?

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In my experience, the VR AI scripts at SLR keep getting better too. CG, RCG, and Mish are generally very good, with more accurate positioning than just a few months ago and the BJ and HJ sections are getting better too (even handling some subtle movements now).

It’s not as good as the hand-scripting on your site and I really appreciate the larger number of scripters you have now. I doubt it will ever reach that level, since there’s just too many decision points that need someone who’s experienced the motions first hand. But many are good enough to beat some of the free and even a few of the paid scripts I’ve gotten on this forum. There are still some that fall short of course, but still much better than any other AI scripts I’ve come across.

Just wanted to let you guys know, the AI is far superior to what it was a year or so ago and I’ve bookmarked several of them that can stand alone.

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Just to add on this. Its sad when I see a video i like pop in Script requests, only for it to be fulfilled later on with a paid script.

Its also interesting to me how many creators paywall their script, while at the same time providing pirated access to the videos by the original creators. Just a bit of irony.

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I don’t know if this is allowed? I’d imagine if you make a script request the script would have to be free if it is made.

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The thing with ai is you wouldn’t want to pay for it. If it’s a script made with ai I’d rather have an ai make it locally for me instead of paying money for ai scripts. If I’m paying money for something it would inherently have to be made by a human.

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There’s literally nothing against the rules for this.

Script request is showing that someone has interest in the content. Its entirely up to the person who made the script on whether or not they want to paywall it. The point is it got scripted and is available albeit with a monetary restriction.

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“There aren’t any new scripts!” - translates to “there aren’t new scripts for content I like” often enough.

Given I browse this site with a handful of tags blocked, and I don’t use VR at all, my view of new content and frequency is definitely limited. I do find something new in Free to check out almost every visit nonetheless - and because (again, tag-limited view) Paid looks just as slow without VR scripts, every so often one pops up, but the frequency in both categories looks the same from my seat. The stats @VladTheImplier put up are pretty cool.

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I’m in the quality-over-quantity camp too. And have yet to try a video-synced, “AI” generated script that I enjoyed and wanted to keep; I’m not inclined to toss money and hope some day that will change. I doubt it ever will, but that won’t stop an onslaught of content.

I might come across as a Luddite when it comes to AI and LLM, but I was early-interest and think about these things a lot rather than outright reject out of principle. Spare yous the long winded rambles…

Back to things:
I get if someone is running a site and trying to have a ton of content and options for a general public consumer, AI churn is good enough. Likewise, users choosing created scripts over produced over time are limited by how often new scripts come up in their preferred genres, or how much they are willing to invest in scripting themselves. If any media is evidence of a human brain’s predilection towards seeking novelty, it’s Porn… so the churn winds up as “good enough”. Fuck, most of the porn out there falls under “good enough” anyway…

The problem comes when the churn overruns and buries the created stuff. I would be very interested in seeing PMVHaven’s stats before and after the revamp that put “create your own AI fuck doll” ads in every row as you scroll.

It also deters new script creators and pushes out those recouping costs - the purchase decision now weighs the “good enough” at $0.99 versus a created one at $2.99. Or, why buy a script at all when you can just plug your preferred into the generation software and go?

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I talked about tags as well

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I feel like it should be on the script requester to choose Solutions to their request, and not just because of this. The one script I requested got fulfilled by somebody pumping out AI generated scripts, and the script didn’t match anything audio or video… Also the other day somebody marked a comment as the solution to a request and it wasn’t even a script, just a comment saying ‘i will maybe script it in the future’ (tmk it still remains unscripted lol).

This shit, too. I know there are a handful of power users changing individual posts’ tags to suit their personal blacklists, and there’s literally nothing stopping them from doing so.

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I think the community should actively move toward allowing and encouraging multiple scripts for the same video. Right now it’s just an unspoken rule because people are trying to be considerate. But I think the site would benefit from making this explicit with clear guidelines. Wether creators should acknowledge existing scripts, whether to post in the same thread or separately, how to flag what makes yours different. Right now people just guess at what’s acceptable, and that limits what gets made.
If someone charges for their work, that’s their call and I respect it. But it doesn’t mean the rest of us have to avoid the same content. Multiple scripts for one video gives people actual choices. Different approaches, different quality levels, different price points.
If a free script ends up better than the paid version, the paid scripter needs to make something worth charging for. That’s just how it works.
I’ve been sitting on a few videos I’d love to script for free myself, videos that already have paid scripts. I keep hesitating because of that unspoken rule. But the more I think about it, why hold back? The paid scripters will be fine. They’re doing fine (numbers show paid scripts keep rising). Free scripters shouldn’t have to worry about protecting someone else’s profit margin.

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Honestly for me I think that instead of being considerate of someone having a paid script and trying not to take away their money, its more of people in the community are wary of making a script for the same content due to redundancy. One is great, two is good, three is nice but once you have four or more(not that we ever really get this many for a video) its probably a better use of time doing something else.

However, there’s nothing wrong with a scripter doing a video that’s already been covered, especially if they think they can do something of comparable or better quality or they can add something like multi-axis.

Like hell if they want to do it cause they just feel like it, thats fine too, another one doesn’t diminish the value of the pre-existing scripts, its just diminishing returns.

Heck there are definitely old scripts that could use updating due to being so old/broken. There are scripts that basically disappeared due to scripters/links disappearing. This one basically went poof cause the link’s been broken since last year and the OP hasn’t been seen for about as long.

And regarding paid scripters, most paid scripters dont charge per script but for their archive. So even if you do one of theirs they have more scripts of value to attract subscribers.

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Honestly that kinda comes down to how people personally enjoy their porn and what kind of porn they enjoy. I get your point on redundancy, especially with purely action-based scripts where you’re just trying to match what’s on screen.
But for PMVs and other niche things like audio-only scripts, there’s way more creative room. You can interpret the music or audio in tons of different ways and make the script completely different. Those types of videos definitely would benefit from having multiple scripts. My tastes can be a little niche so there’s way less content to match it. I end up having a few videos that I come back to a lot, and in those cases I’d love to have multiple scripts to choose from just for a bit of variety. I guess for straight users with more standard tastes, there’s way more options to avoid having to watch the same vids anyway.

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Yeah for the majority of content there’s way more content to go through.

Redundancy on audio-only and other lesser populated genres probably wont happen because thats a small niche. Those ones could probably use another version, but again those genres already get so few scripts to begin with(coming from someone who grabs the audio-only ones).

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You should script those videos that you wanted that already have scripts because for the majority of the community it is inaccessible/niche when it’s paid

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Yeah, which is why the site having explicit guidelines would actually help. Niche genres won’t get flooded anyway, so there’s no real risk. But people still hesitate because there’s no clear guidance on whether it’s cool to do.

If the site actively encouraged free scripts as alternatives to paid ones, especially in niche genres, people would make them. Right now it just feels like a taboo nobody talks about. Clear guidelines saying “yes you can and here’s how to do it” would change that.

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Scripting well takes a huge amount of time like 10 hours for a 40 minute VR and money can be an exchange for that.

My problem with paid is, their quality is untouchable. You dont want to kill someones shop writing his scripts suck to unusable and he should get collecting stamps instead. There are paid script that are practically fully out of sync. Quality check however is a shoe the site does not seem to want to put on it seems.

My problem with free scripts is there is no reward for putting them scripts out for free even if free scripters are the most valuable for the community.

I would like to put the free scripter badge on the table for discussion:

That should be a policy for selling scripts on the site. If you sell scripts a user marked as free scripter must get your script for free if he asks for it publicly. That would bring a lot more free quality scripts to the site. People just scripting for themselves would post their scripts to get access to paid and punch the paywall.

How should free scripter badge be earned?

  • his portfolio is fully free, no paid script
  • script quality is high in all his scripts
  • hand made frame by frame, synchronized
  • at least 10 hours of scripting in his portfolio
  • take it away automatically temporarilly if there is not 30 minutes of scripted material for three months. Make the free scripter keep his badge alive with at least two hours of moviescripting a year.

Scripters like queer should have access to all paid scripts on the site for free.

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And how do you propose to properly apply and track any of these with a small team of volunteered mods? “High quality” can be very subjective and quality control on that level is near to impossible to properly maintain in my opinion in the current situation of the forum.

and this is a super hyper mega generous estimate for a 40 min video in my opinion, specific time frames to finish a script varies widely from person to person and how they do their script, some can just put proper synchronized top and bottom end points and that takes less time, but detailed scripts would easily triple or quadruple the amount of time taken, i myself have already made videos of 6-7 min length that took me more than 24 hours of active work.
So looking at the amount of hours someone takes to script shouldn’t really matter, but the scripting resulting from it should be the focus point.

The way i tried to help a bit with these situations myself as a scripter, is to let the people judge by themselves and inform others, there is always a feedback poll on my posts for people to leave a rating on the script, this is far from a perfect solution of course as it has some extreme flaws to it, but it’s a good and manageable first step that at least should help people discern minimum amount of quality both in free and paid scripts. But I don’t think something like this should be enforced either because at the end of the day it will always be a fool’s errand both by lack of manpower and quality being up to interpretation and personal tastes.

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I like the concept of the free scripter badge as a user/scripter denomination, but I can already imagine the monitoring, application and revoking of that badge process would take up a lot of work. In practice, it would most likely be applied when a scripter meets the initiating criterion, but revoked as soon as they post a paid script.

This would render the badge into just another vanity bit with the tag-along of asking paid scripters to give their works for free so long as it’s public. That in itself can be dangerous for current and future paid scripts (regardless of quality).

A verbal agreement on its own is not a safe trade method. It gives a very “just trust me bro” vibe to the whole interaction which sounds like a red flag from a seller’s point of view.

I get that if it’s on the internet, it’s only a matter of time before it gets ripped/reposted (with the content I find and use, I’m no exception to that rule. It would be hypocritical to not acknowledge that); but to just straight up demand a full paid script be given is a bit much. Nothing aside from social denunciation would stop the recipient from just leaving with the paid (now free) script to do with it as they see fit (mod and repost it for free comes to mind).

This is why I’m holding onto a bunch of scripts I made with the intent to put them up as a paid archive or individual scripts. I go by a “if I wouldn’t buy it, why would I sell it?” kind of mentality. I’ve already found some of my free scripts on sites where I don’t post any of them (lurker alt accounts or cold searches). Now granted I was mentioned as the original scripter, but was never asked if I was ok with it. It was free scripts; so in retrospect, it was only a matter of time. I don’t want to set up a subscription system, because I wouldn’t want to have to deal with that as a consumer.

Free scripting isn’t dead. It’s relevance is just in flux. There are some script collections I will keep permanently free out of principle. I would like to think I’m doing ok, but I’m not gonna be naïve to the changing environment. Worst come’s to worst, I can script it myself.

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There will not be that much free scripters anyway. Queer or me you wont find low quality scripts. If it is reported by several users, cancel the badge. I dont think its hard to check quality from time to time. Mods also run free scripts, right?

Even worse, and even more value to free scripting right? I estimated what I need, never measured to be honest, better not.

There never is guarantee sold or gifted, there is tons of pirated scripts out there. Also an argument for free scripting. Chances are high the script find its way to torrents anyway.

I think it gets less. I am for sure closing my free stand, the paywall just gets too large. I see queer posting less and then at an event posting dozens at once.

I am just giving a possible recipe to push and keep free scripting that drives the site. I have four 40 minutes scripts to offer at the moment. Get them or leave it.

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I try to give a little context to it, why I changed my mind from “always wanting to bring content for free” to becoming a paid creator myself.

This might be a little longer post, but I try to keep things short.

I want look back when the site started in 2020. We were much smaller in comparison to now. When I started to release scripts, I always got a lot of comments. People engaged in discussions and we were often talking about techniques etc. It was always exciting to release something, because I knew, people cared and were grateful. During this time, I was a “heavy” script user myself (in terms of using my Handy very regularly). All this changed.

Over time, comments changed and the “where video?” comments got more. Sometimes these kind of comments were the only ones I got. Sometimes, no comments at all. Topics got buried very fast, views sometimes got less and less. Engagement shrink over time. At the same time, my script consumption got less as well. From something I used every day or every other day, more to maybe once or twice a week. I didn’t script for me anymore, but for others. In the beginning, I scripted for me, because I wanted to see content I like. And I just shared it others. But as I said, my script usage got less, but I still wanted to create scripts for others to enjoy. When I released a script and I didn’t get any comments and the thread sank into the abyss, I felt disappointed. Like I wasted my time. I spent several hours on something and nobody cared. I know many are lurkers and they are grateful and happy for the content. But if you create something and share it, you want some kind of reaction, some kind of interaction, some kind of appreciation. That became less and less, so I stopped. I was at a point, where I wanted to stop and I did for some time. But I still had the urge to create and share what I like to do. I genuinely enjoy creating scripts and I like to share them. But it feels awful if you create something, something you care of, something you spent a lot of time creating, something where you think “Yes, people will love this!” and then your release ends with a little under 1k views, no comments and your work is forgotten.

It all changed, when I had the opportunity to monetize what I am doing. Since then, I am full back in. I felt never more motivated in creating scripts. I want to improve, get better, make the impossible work, by re-creating the action in the video into the script with as much perfection as I possibly can. Beyond scripts, I found other ways of creation with events, community suggestions and votes and creating videos. I get something in return. I know the people who subscribe to me, care. They engage in discussions, let me know what they like and don’t, what I do good, where I need to get better etc. This is fun. This is what I want. I don’t script for me anymore, I script for others. And yes, I want something in return. There is a fine balance you need to achieve. Fair price, with high quality content in good quantity.

If you are like me and script for others, which I think many of my fellow paid creators do, there is no other way to get something in return. We are not on YouTube where you get ad revenue by your free videos. The only exchange we get, is engagement. And the engagement just isn’t there anymore. It’s a “grab and leave” mentality. I absolutely get this. I understand people just want to grab the content and move on. But if you create content for others, not getting anything in return, feels bad.

I hope this brings some insight why I and maybe others, decided to not or much less create free scripts. Of course, this is only my personal experience and view and others may think different.

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