You shouldn’t bring that topic up, time shifting wasn’t even necessary. The scripter did nothing wrong there, you just forgot to compare the video length stated in the topic with the video you downloaded.
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The link above isn’t even a bad example, thats just a wrong example cause it was user error rather than scripter error.
Apps need to be accurate cause they’re a program. If they aren’t accurate then the program is broken and that needs to be fixed. Theoretically, a program should have the same outcome every time you use the same input. A human scripter won’t necessarily get the same outcome with the same input every time.
Scripting is still more of an art, rather than a science. And everyone has a different taste and tolerance level for how out of sync or how bad a script can be.
There is one scripter who does a lot of JAV but they’re more on a feel than actually scripting actions. That’s their style, I dont like it but some people want scripts for those videos or don’t mind. I’m not gonna blow up their comment sections every time cause they made it clear thats their style.
Honestly, better there be a bad free script for a video than no script. If people like the video enough and complain about the script being bad then the scripter will either fix it themselves or someone will just make their own version.
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I always ask for feedback on my scripts, but only occasionally do people reply. When they do, I look into whatever issues they raise and edit and issue a new version of my script. But I leave the old scripts available so people have a choice as to which ones they want to use.
My scripts are free, but I still want them to be as good as possible. So I want feedback so I can improve my skills. Especially around handjob/blowjob sequences when there tends to be a lot of jumping around between points of contact (two or more hands and a mouth and sometimes other body parts). This is where I feel I’m weakest.
The fucking sequences tend to be much easier, because there tends to be only one body part coming into contact with another.
I have multiple scripts on the go and tend to jump around between them and never seem to finish any. One I am working on now is WankzVR Dean of Admissionary Remastered. It is a video I have always wanted a script for. I recently got a copy of a script for the old video and thought it would be a simple job to resync it, only to find that this uncredited script wasn’t sync’d to the old video either. I have started to modify it, but I am having to change every single action point in the script, not just for sync, but for range too. By the time I am finished, it’s going to be entirely my own creation.
@roa , you refer to “end points” which is a term I see no-one else use. So you may want to clarify what you mean by that. Do you just mean action points?
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Endpoint I mean the direction change. The end of a motion. How should I call it?
The official terms are “top and bottom points”, but I do think endpoints is a good collective term
That’s why I always include synchronized simulations of videos and 3D models when publishing my work to demonstrate accuracy. I believe everyone who shares their creations should attach similar videos or GIFs, otherwise I won’t readily download them , Heatmaps cannot effectively demonstrate accuracy.
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Maybe the site should make some bucks by having scripts reviewed before they can be sold. Just saying it would be possible that the first 5 bucks go to ES for a review. The event judges are doing exactly that for free at the moment. Would help the site to finance the servers and help the buyers. Some minor amount for a free script.
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As you have been told before, scripts are not sold here. We just publish the links to an external site. Doing something like this would be a major and discouraging annoyance. One of the aspects where I try to differentiate myself from other scripters -and add personal value to my scripts- is by releasing scripts on the very same day the video is released (or as close I can possibly do it); and I bust my ass for hours and hours on end to get them done. People don’t want to wait for days to use the scripts, they see a new video and they would very much like it scripted that very same day if possible. And if I need to send my work for review, that could take days.
These types of measures only discourage people from scripting and should never even be considered on people whose work has been more than certified by the community. We have earned our reputation by hand, script by script.
If you don’t trust somebody’s paid work (whether it’s because they’re new here or because they have zero reviews on their work), demand a script or two for free to test their quality. And if they don’t prove their worth, just don’t buy it, it’s that simple.
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Aside from my previous reply, my general opinion is the following:
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Users who post scripts in the free section should have no barriers to do so. As someone said before, you don’t want to discourage people from getting into scripting. Never. And if someone’s work is not good enough for you, provide feedback so they can get better. Worst case it’s just a bad free script, it’s not a crime that should be policed; it doesn’t really matter that much in the end, just move on to the next one or fix it yourself.
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Users who want to post scripts under the paid section is a different story, we know that. I think that paid scripters should first have a minimum of 5 free scripts of no less than 10 minutes available for the community to test their work. That way people can check the overall quality of the scripter’s work. This is no silver bullet solution, but nothing really is.
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I also personally think that on top of the previous requirement, paid scripters should also be active patrons or supporters of the site (although I understand this would be too much of a requirement for some people). I personally believe -however- that If you want to sell or advertise your products here, you should give something back to the site for that privilege. Again, this isn’t a silver bullet solution but I think it would discourage cheap efforts on the paid section.
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It wouldn’t take days to review for proper sync, unless the volume of paid scripts were to multiply by a factor of at least 4. There are enough highly active users who could (already do) check scripts.
A small team of reviewers getting to look over paid scripts would be able to verify sync at current volume in guaranteed at most 10 hours. Likely much shorter barring anomalies. Normal turnaround would probably be around 10-30 minutes.
I agree with all your other points, except the patron requirement.
Someone with zero financial flexibility ought to have the opportunity to sell their scripts. I would prefer behavioral requirements; no sloppy topic formatting for paid scripts.
On average, I’m ready to publish a script after 6-8 hours after a scene releases depending on length and intensity. Adding 10 extra hours for someone else to confirm what I already know is not an option for me; I would still publish them in the marketplace sites where we sell. It would just be a shame to have to wait to post them here.
This whole thing would be completely unnecessary, annoying, nonsense, and redundant for users with an established reputation like me and some others. We are not going to risk the trust that a lot of people have put on us by releasing some cheap effort. And I know I’m not perfect, I have screwed up a number of times; but every time I have, I have responded to the people who have purchased my scripts. I have fixed what needs fixing, I have refunded when something needs refunding, and I have even compensated some people with more scripts. All that trust is not taken lightly.
If these draconian measures are to be applied, I hope they are at least aimed at people who haven’t proved their reliability, not at people who are assets in this community.
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This is why I voiced an interest in the “verified good scripter” designation but didn’t like the additional barriers (see my earlier reply)
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@Polt you focus on sold scripts here, I don’t. I have stopped buying any script because of the quality issue. Script I am redoing at the moment is Chantal Danielle as a birthday gift I bought and that is quite unusable even after complains and changes done by the scripter. Dunno why its bad I have good scripts from him I think. Its not about paid scripts its about scripts in general that need a certain level of scripting to even count as scripts.
I am one of the few scripters that helps others scripting as I got help and rules too by @burtreynolds . In the ongoing event you will see rando script real good, passed on all my scripting rules to him and he even generated new ones (overstim). I do rescript free scripts if I like the flic to make them better and show the scripter what he should do differently. Too boring to search for those threads. Most try to do better. So discourage users? Never , make them continue as they do? Also never.
Here is a thread about a script that has some basic flaws and I explained to the scripter what the flaws are. I even scripted 30 seconds to show him. Try it you will feel the 30 seconds limit.
https://discuss.eroscripts.com/t/izzy-green-onlyfans-beach-car-blowjob/248603/7 will he change it? I don’t know, we will see. Checking the script did not take longer than a minute, hand parts missing way too many points, some endpoints moved a couple of frames and underexaggerated. So yes I would like a badge for all scripts that they are finished and can be called scripts.
Then there are guys who just run through the scripts with dynamic injection or MTFG and they do sell their scripts like that ripping off the user. Discourage them? Yes please do so. Expose them.
I personally think all scripts should be rated and rerated if changed about the basic characteristics that are easy to achieve like endpoints, exaggeration, top-speed. Not much that is asked for.
Encourage scripting but just don’t leave the script in bad or unfinished state. Its bad for us all.
You’re missing the point.
The guidance and critique you’re providing is pricesly the encouragement we’re advocating for.
What you’re advocating for is to discourage scripters by having that corrective interaction be a barrier to posting scripts rather than a reaction to scripts that are posted.
Instead of community interaction surrounding the contribution to the forum, you want an administrative interaction preceding the contribution to the forum.
Or after. At the moment the scripter is uploading a shitty script and the thing is done. Great job. It not always is. The scripts will not get better the next one is still unusable. There is whe I wonder if the site can do better.
It would be great if you open a script thread and it would state this script is in sync, fully scripted and it is even nicely exaggerated. Or the opposite. That is about it.
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