The way i see it, is that its the same as the topic of video game modding. In the past modding was always a free thing you did cause you wanted to, and if you got financial support that was great, but the mod itself would always be free on release or with a 1-3 month delay if its an early access kinda thing. The only people making mods, were people who wanted to make mods simply because they wanted to see that thing made. When Bethesda introduced the idea of paid mods like 10 years ago for Skyrim, the community fought back hard against it, both mod users and mod makers, because they knew what would happen if it took hold. Fast forward a few years an Anniversay update comes out and adds the creation club, a paid mod scheme where the mods were filtered by bethseda. This is around the time the concept of modding and such turned into âUser Generated Contentâ and the boom of the new age of UGC platforms like new era roblox, fortnite creator platform, and sites like nexus having paid mods. As predicted by those rallying against free mods in the past, what happened was that people who made mods for the sake of making mods, were pushed out. This was because so many people started modding (many of which good, many bad) in any game that they could earn money from that the pool of content started to dilute. Now people making mods just for the sake of making mods felt they had to compete in scope, scale, frequency, and quality with mod makers who had larger budgets, teams, and time. A lot of the modders and mods that succeed in this environment in late 2018-2019ish onward, were the ones who frankly did not like their games anymore, they just seen it as a paycheck.
This also alights with broad social data, since 2019-2020, the concept of âgrindsetsâ and hustle culture became mainstream in anyone 13-30 at the time. What age group of people are making a majority of online content on anything thatâs a UGC platform (including here)? As far as i see it, the issue is simply the fact that we live in a world that both doesnât allow people to make for the sake of making, but actively punishes them in many ways.
As for scripting? I think scripting being niche is a double edged sword. Some people are obviously gonna say âI can churn out scripts and corner the marketâ while others have that more community aspect in mind again. Currently the tools to script are as mentioned, pretty hard to use, toy consistency is all over the place, and the market is small. For the people spending 4+hrs a day making scripts, i can see why they want to get paid and donât blame them. That being said, I think if we do want to improve the quantity and quality of free scripts, any effort to help make the process more simple and developer friendly to make would go a long way. Ultimatly it wonât fix everything, but it would at least make it easier for people to enter the scene.
As an aside for paid scripts as a whole, I believe that it would be useful if this site had a method of letting/requiring paid scripts to be hosted on site. We already need 2FA which is more commitment to a throw away porn site then i want (yet here i am), so why not make it so you link to patreon, discord, whatever to verify a user as a paid supporter of a creator, and they can download the scripts from here (videos can be done as is because⌠yknow) to help preserve cases of scripts being lost such as deplatforming, ghosted accounts, etc. with some clause of âafter no activity in x time frame the files can go from paid to freeâ. Maybe thats too far, but i have too many scripts this site lists i want, but i canât find due to things like the creator being banned and having basically 0 helpful socials.
I would love to drop feedback but one of the biggest problems for me is feeling like im giving useless feedback simply because i donât know the damn thing about the fundamentals of scripting.
In my eyes its like asking a non-3d animator for feedback on a character animation the only thing they can give you is a vague un-detailed feedback that wonât really make you improve much.
Which leads to people like me not dropping feedback.
I donât hate the idea but I think a big issue right now is the fact that scripts are so device dependent. @OTE_Scripts makes amazing scripts, the issue however, is i have a keon which i have to modify their scripts to make work on my device, but they script for a handy 2 and their speeds are so fast really only an overclocked handy 2 or OSR can match. Not throwing shade, i love the patterns they go for once i do scale things, but thatâs a pretty annoying barrier to entry to many people. I feel that uploaders should be required to click at least 1 device for âtested onâ (adding that tag to the post) as well as having an untested tag. That way finding scripts with your device in mind is much easier to do as posts from then on will all have at least 1 device tag to them, which can help with people determining the quality.
I do feel like thereâs real value in feedback from users that donât create scripts themselves.
If youâve used a script and had a great time, letting the creator and fellow users know that you enjoyed it is really useful and appreciated.
(Same goes for not enjoying some part of the script)
It doesnât need to be any sort of technical feedback. You could literally just throw a gif in the comments and a scripter will appreciate it. Any kind of interaction is great!
This would be the âideal solutionâ to basically have a patreon clone or something similar dedicated to the forum and that could as well work to support the forum to a certain degree and itâs future development and infrastructure, but alas, we got the immediate problems like payment processors doing their usual bullshit or outright denying to work with us (to my understanding thatâs whatâs currently happening) and the need of manpower, time and funds to actually develop that alternative, to my understanding all staff involved in the forum are basically volunteers so even if possible, i would assume it would take a long time for that to be developed and to work properly.
But yeah until the underlying problem with payment processors gets solved, we are swimming in dead waters on that regard.
As Hachibee already mentioned above:
I 100% agree to this sentiment, free scripts should be always a community driven thing, just like sharing a hobby with a friend, having the expectation of a reward besides something like engagement of any form would lead to a really toxic environment prone to spam if nothing else.
I apologize in advance by what Iâm about to say if it comes off as a personal attack / rude, but this to me sounds like solving a problem that doesnât exist, all because you want access to other peoples content / time invested without wanting to support that same effort.
A lot of people contributed to the community, some more and others less, some paid and others free. At the end of the day the time you invest on the hobby doesnât entitle you to otherâs people time if they choose a monetary reward to it, itâs a bit of a exaggeration but itâs almost the same as somebody saying to an artist that âtheyâll pay in exposureâ type of argument. I do agree with some previous points regarding quantity and quality of paid content but this is not the way for a solution at all.
In more specific detail to your example, there is some very big glaring problems with this.
1 - âit is qualityâ - as a i mentioned before, this is subjective, we could maybe agree on a general set of rules to determine a hardline for what is and isnât here in the forum but the checks and enforcement of that would be impossible as we do not have the funds, tools or manpower to do so appropriately, this same argument also applies to detecting if a script was done with AI or not.
2 - While point 1 is not solved, this system would only lead to the spam of scripts (both low quality AI Slop and actual good scripts) to farm tokens, flooding the team / tool doing the checking and ultimately getting to a point that the whole system would just not work at all.
3 - As i mentioned before as well, time duration of the videos action is not correlated to the actual work that took to make the video, a 30 minute well edited HMV / PMV would be a lot harder and take more time to do a action based script for it than a normal scene, be it animations or IRL content, so attributing the value based on that would not be fair to the creators.
4 - âES buys me the Chantal Script (ES has money from its percentage platform) and sends me the script.â - this is exactly what Iâm heavily against, this is just reselling intellectual property of other people. Imagine the same situation with any art form, be it music, videos, animations, drawing, etc⌠itâs just like me subbing to someone, getting their content, and making a entire system on my platform where i go âDo this for free an X amount of time and Iâll pay you with other peopleâs contentâ, this just sounds insane to me for multiple reasons. And if the creator in question gave way the script to be used in this manner, at that point why not make it a free script to begin with?, itâs just paid scripts with extra steps.
5 - None of this solves the underlying issue that ends up being a problem for point 1, bad or non existent previews for paid content, be it heatmaps or small samples of the script, to be able to check itâs quality or at least if itâs just AI Slop or not.
Incentivizing free scripters with this kind of system would not change anything for most people that actually do free scripts for the community, this would only attract more people to do the exact same thing youâre complaining in paid scripts, that people are not scripting for the love of the game and will be just an increase with the grind set mentality to farm the tokens, as i mentioned before, it will be paid scripts 2.0, focusing on improvements on the community for feedback culture like Slibowitz said would help a lot more to the end result we are all looking for here.
On a side note and more of a personal frustration with this conversation, not only at you specifically, but it rubs me a bit the wrong way how people treat short form and / or animated content as like something lesser to scoff at, itâs fine to not like it, be it for being animated or short but itâs content that a lot people enjoy in the community, dismissing it as a âall those that are being scripted do not count / nobody cares about themâ and free scripting is dying because the content i want is not getting posted as often in comparison, rubs me off a bit in the wrong way out of respect for both scripters that cover that content and the amount of work invested on it, as well as the artist that animate them, animation is hard as fuck, and the amount of work and time it takes to do them under a monthly basis system tends to generate a lot of short form content so that the artists can have a baseline for their livelihood and then have the opportunity to do longer and better work because in comparison, I can easily go into a a studio, fuck my wife there, and have a fully fledged amateur 30 min production ready to be scripted in less than an hour. Dismissing these categories because of the nature from which this content has to be developed is just a bit much for me, once again i apologize if my words were a bit aggressive, it just rubbed me the wrong way, and if i misinterpreted what people said regarding this, Iâm so fucking sorry
Hey mate, if this is true and you know who it is, if they are posting in this forum, i think itâs worth to bring the situation to the staff here, behavior like that should not be tolerated.
100% agree with this, developing the tools to be more user friendly would go a long way for a lot of people starting out, to this day i still donât understand why OFS doesnât have a normal drag selection for the points and forces the selection to be the full editing window from top to bottom
All feedback is appreciated mate! User experience is as important, if not more, than technical feedback, because we can have easily situations where it is technically wrong to the motion in a certain but it just feels better, and knowing what the people like or dislike in your scripts, independently of how generalized it is, always helps to identify mistakes, bad habits or develop new and improved methods of scripting.
So, in my opinion, just give the feedback if you want to! donât let the lack of technical knowledge push you back on that!
Thank you mate! Glad you enjoy them!
Iâm not familiar with the limitations of a Keon device but Iâm assuming they are lower than the Handy 1, the baseline of my normal and less vibration versions of my scripts are made with those limits in mind so yeah, sorry you have to edit them all the time mate!
100% agree with this as well.
I already do this but i think it would be a good change for discoverability on scripts compatible to each device, this can become a bit problematic in the sense of having scripts compatible and tested, for example, for the Handy 1, will be compatible as well with all other devices that can do higher and slower speeds, so it would require spam of multiple devices on the tags to actually be labelled properly, what i would suggest is that along with the single device the script was tested on, we create group tags for a range of speed limits instead, like we do with the video length tags, instead of having âlen1, len2, len3, etcâŚâ we have âlen0-2, len2-5, len5-10, etcâŚâ, basically, the same thing but for script speeds.
I still donât understand why the compensation for sharing free scripts must be someone elseâs paid scripts. Is there a valid reason why the reward for a free script must be a paid script?
As OTE_Scripts mentioned, the criteria for awarding tokens is also ambiguous. Can that criteria be determined objectively and fairly?
Furthermore, you are directly pointing out the flaws in the paid script compensation system you want. You could earn tokens by uploading mass-produced scripts or messy AI-tracked scripts. In an extreme case, one could even churn out and upload scripts that have nothing to do with the video just to earn tokens.
How would this be monitored? The ES staff are volunteers, and there arenât many of them. I believe it is irresponsible to burden the community users with the task of inspecting the flood of free scripts caused by the token compensation system without any solution.
I have seen the length of the videos for the scripts you share. Most of them are at least 10 minutes long, and it is true that sharing these for free is something to be very thankful for, and it clearly brings vitality to this community. I havenât used the scripts myself, but I assume the quality is also good.
However, asking for a system to exchange for someone elseâs paid scripts as a reward only seems like you are asking to be compensated for your effort of sharing for free with someone elseâs work (which must be purchased with money). It only looks like you want to use someone elseâs intellectual property as a tool for your own reward. If there is a paid script you want, you can simply go and purchase it.
Is it not just that you dislike ânicheâ things? I also make many niche scripts, but on the contrary, there are many types of videos that I definitely dislike. For example, I donât even look at live-action gay content or Western live-action videos. However, if you look at the script category by view count, 5 out of the top 10 videos are Western live-action AVs. I have no complaints about that at all. If itâs not your taste, you can just use the tag block. Personally, even if I am not attracted to Western videos at all and donât understand why they have high view counts and download numbers, I just move on, thinking that there are people with these tastes and many people like them.
I do not think it is right to speak sarcastically like this just because videos you donât make or videos that are not your taste are gaining popularity.
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That is not what ES achieves atm. Es looses scripters. It looses me as everyone else who drops scripting to the community after learning to script well as there is practically no reward to free scripting. This is the case for scripters who do not want to sell scripts.
At the moment free scripting seems to be the entry or preparation to paid scripting. This should not be the case.
Unfortunately if it becomes a paid section of the site, it kinda feels like a weâre pooling money together type situation and that muddies the water. Shit gets sketchy when payment is involved.
In my opinion, disregarding a situation involving money, a lot of this would depend on the goodwill of fellow scripters.
For instance, literally saw a thread bumped today about an old script by @g90ak that was offered for free to participants in an old event. @Slibowitz offered some in the Script Game as well. Other people have also done this for past events.
Like honestly, if I made paid scripts, Iâd offer them for free to people like them, @AniFS@qweer etc etc if they asked for it. Scripters like them contribute to the community and/or release free scripts all the time.
It should probably feel like less about getting paid for services and more about appreciating and thanking the people who actively participate and contribute.
@BigRedOne
Like other people have said. You donât necessarily need to leave indepth critique or feedback on a script. Small things are fine. Heck, just saying what you liked about it or enjoyed about it is enough acknowledgement for most creators.
Any compliment is better than no compliment because weâll likely remember the positive things said, but we canât remember anything if you say nothing.
I do invest the same effort and sometimes better and a scripts of mine serves the whole community. So I think one of my scripts is less selfish and better for ES than a paid scripts.
I do like scripts from others as the movie is not spoiled by scripting. All scripters know the feel. When I then need to buy a script on this site it just feels ridiculous.
But we do have the manpower to script 10 hours+ for a VR movie for free right? Checking a script quality takes a minute after you have the video and script. Es does not take a percentage of the sales other sites do that for ES. Time for ES to collect the money and pay a mod to judge scripts.
Pay a mod with money that comes from paid scripts percentage. They use the platform, make them pay here not on some other site. Its the same for them. Make them pay less than elsewhere.
I agree, just did not want to overcomplicate the example. HWM/PWM soundbased should produce very low amount of tokens or not at all. They can be done in a fraction of time of a handmade script.
It is buying for someone else, the seller gets his money and and the script passed on. Just like you buy a bottle of something in a shop and give it to a friend as he helped you out in a situation. Birthday gift bought in a shop.
Point one is solved if ES gets moneyflow from paid scripts. I agree with you, quality has to be measured. People should know what they DL and buy. At the moment they do not. I bought crap also several times. I wont buy from them again but it happened and will to others.
No, each to their own, I dont understand alot of stuff but I dont have to. I am against some stuff on the site but as long as it can be blocked its OK and legal for me. In the leaderboard short animes are set equal to real. That is what I judge. animation is often done by repetive same motion and is much easier to script, I have done it. Short scripts can be thrown out much faster real or anime. You just cant put them in the same boat. It was critics about the Leadeboard. But thread is not about anime vs real anyway.
Still I would say 10 minute scripting time could be valued for anime the same as real.
Yes, there is no other value on the site for a free scripter exept other scripts if its not money. You must understand that most scripts you make are spoiled to unusable for the scripter its like watching a movie the third time. So a good script from @Slibowitz , looking forward to my event prize, has a lot of value for the free scripter. On the other hand not being able to acess those few paid scripts I like for free is a letdown. I could buy them but as I said I dont like the transaction and it feels weird and unfair when providing to the community at the same time. If I ask paid scripters if I can have a copy in exchange for one of mine unreleased I sometimes get them as some paid scripters understand the situation. They often dont even want the script in return. That feels valued then.
Yes that is what judges in all events do. Check if it is in sync, exxageration, all scripted or not. Mention jitter and other stuff that is out of the ordinary. Still can be good. Check dos not have to be as thorough as in events. As I said it takes a minute for the experienced.
Quality check and rules. AI tracked you can see the endpoints are not in sync. Exaggeration does not fit, action is scripted where there is none, bad HJ BJ scripting. No tokens for that. AI scripts are far from good mostly. Alot of manual editing to make them OK sometimes full rescript necessary.
Pay them from percentage coming from paid scripts with own paying platform. Vlad is on it he said in this thread. Its also a moment something like this can come into place that is why I am bringing this up also.
They are good yes, some of them won events and got perfect script badge. I can script.
They are compensated by ES in the proposed system. They do not give it away for free.
No, I dont like the transaction and it does not feel right to have to pay for them in my case. Its not the money, the scripts are worth the amount if they are good.
No, sorry if that is how it feels, I just used it as the leaderboard was proposed to solve something here which it doesnt. I dont care about niche as long as its at least 18 years old and legal. Not topic of dicussion here.
I am not sarcastic. its just an entity that has 1 minute scripts. I dont see that much in real. So was a good example and an explanation that not number of scripts should produce tokens but scripting time and quality. A 20 minute real or anime video with 10 minutes scripted action should count as 10 tokens not 20.
exactly what I am saying. If I ask for a script I sometimes get it. Would just be nice not to have to beg for it or being ignored. After being just ignored after a personal message I think, man I hope you never used a script of mine. The system would solve it and at the same time would solve the quality problem of the site which is a big one. I ask for one single script copy of the same scripting length for a quality script a whole community can use and is downloaded a hundred times. Is that really such a bad bargain for the Site?
You claim that paid creators are âselfishâ while your work is âbetter for the community.â However, claiming that you should have access to someone elseâs paid labor for free simply because you choose to share your own work is a form of self-centered logic. Respecting the choice of creators to set a price for their time and effort is a fundamental part of any creative community.
Every creator experiences their own work being âspoiledâ after the production process. This is a personal sacrifice we make as scripters by choice. It is difficult to see any logical connection between your personal boredom and a ârightâ to claim someone elseâs paid content for free. Your personal effort in a hobby does not create a debt that other creators are obligated to pay.
When a paid scripter gives you a copy out of understanding, that is an act of goodwill, and that is how a healthy community functions. But the moment you try to force this into a âsystemâ where you feel entitled to their work, it is no longer a giftâit is a demand. Feeling that it is âunfairâ to pay for content because you are a volunteer elsewhere is not a logical argument; it is a sense of entitlement. A community thrives when we respect each otherâs choices, not when we demand special treatment at the expense of others.
To use a simple analogy: Sharing free scripts is like volunteering to clean a public park. Just because you chose to volunteer your time, it doesnât give you the right to walk into a nearby shop and take items for free. You are essentially asking the shopkeeper (the paid creator) to pay for your volunteer work out of their own pocket.
Saying you âdonât like the transactionâ is not a valid reason to bypass the fair compensation that other creators deserve. We should respect the diverse ways people choose to contribute to ESâwhether through free sharing or paid contentâinstead of demanding that othersâ hard work be treated as a âfree rewardâ for your own voluntary choices.
I will not argue any further on this matter. My intention in joining this discussion was simply to see ES become a more vibrant and healthy communityâone where all high-quality scripts, whether free or paid, are shared and respected. I hope we can continue to build a community where everyoneâs time and effort are valued appropriately.
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I will start releasing soon again. I just got into being a creator myself for the past three months and got so into it because unlike funscripting creating stuff yourself is way way way more fun (Blender).
But I am here for you free script guys especially VR.
i used to drop scripts every few weeks, usually like 5-10 at a time. id pick the best 1 or 2 funscripts and throw them up for free on my patreon, and the rest would go to paid members. the whole point was just to build an audience and stay connected, and if people liked my stuff they could support and unlock everything else.
seemed fair to me honestly, i get more eyes on my patreon and people get some of my best scripts for free.
but people on here would constantly complain about having to click a few extra times to go to patreon and download stuff instead of it just being directly on eroscripts. so now theres that rule about no patreon links in the free section.
kinda kills the whole strategy tbh. posting only in the paid section makes it way harder to grow, and its just not really worth the time anymore. ive made 100+ scripts over the past 6 months and havent posted any of them just because of that.
Damn, never commented about it but Iâve seen people complaining about that on your posts and I never understood how they found an issue with it being free on patreon which is really no different than being posted on pixeldrain/mega/etc. Unfortunate for everyone that all that negativity killed that for you.
The issue isnât the extra clicks, itâs when thereâs a requirement to signup and create accounts to access the free content. There is no rule that the script have to be downloaded from ES so if you can allow download from patreon without creating an account first then you can host your free scripts on patreon. The rule is simply, no barriers.
The site rules explicitly states that you are allowed to promote your patreon. So you can still direct traffic to your patreon if you want to. However, you are not allowed to promote paid scripts in the free section.
Basically it comes down to free scripters can double their scripting time by getting the same amount of scripting time from the paid scripting pool. ES is buying, as it directly profits from free scripting.
I think this should be considered when setting up your shop @VladTheImplier
Anyway, I enjoyed scripting for all you guys for now!
Agree to disagree, i doubt anybody who has an ES account doesnât already have a Patreon and if not, and joining a free platform is too much of a âbarrierâ then download someone elseâs script for the same generic video that gets flooded in free section.
Also there is a massive difference between mentioning that you have a Patreon on a banner inside your ES post, and growing your followers by funneling new people into a free section on your Patreon.
Whether or not you can empathize with people like me, just know that dumb rule is the sole reason I personally do not post scripts anymore and probably why some people besides just me donât post anything good in the free section anymore
Plenty of credible, quality movie reviewers out there who never directed or shot a film.
Lots of people arenât pilots either, but they can spot a helicopter crashing.
Thereâs an ethos in lots of STEM environments where criticism or feedback is rejected outright because of the personâs lack of intimate familiarity with a project or the inner workings. Thereâs an ethos in many business environments where criticism is outright rejected or beaten back because the objection wasnât raised by someone at the right level or in the right department.
Iâm part of a cultural shift at a couple workplaces I have my feet in - one long had the former mindset⌠Design dictated costing, Sales just sells to customers, Marketing chases Sales.
It doesnât work, itâs not the 80âs/90âs anymore. Design needs to listen to Sales and respond to what customers say about value, Marketing needs to push designs to the consumer media so Sales has something to execute with when product GTM, and Design canât get so butthurt when Sales points out what the customers didnât like (and when Sales is also a user in the 1% top user category, Design needs to fuckin get over their fashion schooling and listen).
Point being, thereâs a baked-in tendency by a creator in whichever media, to hold dear their creation - nd that is often reinforced by their peer environment. When a person puts up a script and gets only criticism - constructive or not - the community has a tendency to come down on the reviewer if theyâre not a scripter themselves. Over time, this suppresses feedback, just like in a workplace like ULINE - a nail standing up gets hammered back down.
I understand wanting to trade scripts, but it is so inefficient. It is literally the reason we have money. It is fungible and exchangeable for needs we have, either now or in the future.
In economics it is referred to as a âdouble coincidence of wantsâ in a barter system. You mentioned have these scripts to trade for someone elseâs scripts. Both parties will need each otherâs goods at the same time (You want my script now but, sorry, I need a new GPU now), work out a value system (Is your one 40 minute VR script equivalent to three our four 8 minute PMVs?), and have the time to spend haggling and coordinating all the other details.
Money is a a universal medium of exchange. If you create a script that people want and value, they will give you money. Then you can use that money in the market to purchase what you find valuable.
Personally, I would prefer Eroscripts to host a marketplace, and will move all my content here when it does.
BTW @VladTheImplier Love the new emotes. I just wish the data for number of impressions per emote would be parsed out. Imagine after a few years of feedback there will be a string of emotes with a sum total. I would be clearer to see that 90% of the emotes where a , 8% were others like or and only 2% were numbers and . A histogram or something could help clarify the reactions. Keep up the good work!
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. A histogram or something could help clarify the reactions. Keep up the good work!