Is it OK to make a new script of an already scripted video, but make this one free?

Scripts in my mind is like art & even a form of free expression/speech. Everyone has there own taste or interpretation on how to script which is unique.

If scripting videos that have already been scripted is frowned upon or if a future world exists where it can be made a bannable offense, then it will be like @rivien said and give a pseudo-copyright to the first individual who scripts a certain scene. What will stop anyone from trying to rush to be the first one to get a script out and as many out first to secure it as the only script on the forum. Even worse what will stop people from just running every video under a motion tracker and not make any corrections, adjustments, or care for accuracy just so they can have there script out first. It just lowers the bar for everyone (free or paid) and is definitely a slippery slope as others mentioned.

Instead of arguing about who can do what we should be promoting good scripters (Free & Paid) by having the mods or the website creator start a SCRIPT AWARDS section with different categories. Have monthly & yearly events to highlight work in the community. The traffic created by the buzz should make everyone happy and maybe have some sort of monetary reward contributed from the community once a year to winners.

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I like Macdaddyā€™s suggestion and was thinking something similar at the end of last year.

Some script awards would not only give recognition which is important to helping to motivate scripters, it also is a good first stop for people new to the forum.

p.s I dont think anyone was suggesting making doing another script a bannable offense. Jvdsx asked for peoples input and it was given. This is one of the least dramatic internet communities iā€™ve found (strange huh.) I find itā€™s best to assume good intentions from peoples posts as tone is very hard to guage from reading.

Didnā€™t get it from anyone just creating a hypothetical scenario hence why I said ā€œIF a future world whereā€¦ā€

All love & respect from me brotha! :innocent:

TL;DR - No one owns the rights to script a scene. Itā€™s fair to script a scene that has already been scripted, but I think the community is better served when we try to publish something that has never been published before. Aside on script quality.

I feel like Iā€™m late to the party here, but I also feel like I have to share some thoughtsā€¦

I donā€™t think anyone here will tell anyone else that they canā€™t publish their own work. Full stop. I absolutely support everyone having a voice, and everyone having the ability to publish their own original works.

For full disclosure, for those who may not know, I am a paid scripter, so all of my comments come from that viewpoint. Iā€™m trying VERY hard not to offend anyone here. I respect every scripter at every level who takes the time to learn scripting and releases their work to the public, for free or not for free.

I very recently released a paid script that someone else released for free. We try to avoid that, but things happen and it really isnā€™t a big deal. I noted that I was scripting it, and I took a couple of weeks to get it right, and during that time someone else released it. Fair enough. No one is under any obligation to check to see what else has been scripted or may be in the process of being scripted. Both scripts are available, and generally speaking Iā€™m not sure the free script hurt my ability to earn with my paid script. A brief look at the heatmaps will tell you that theyā€™re very different scenes.

I will say that I think itā€™s pretty naive to say that paid scripts are rushed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Regardless of the platform (at least the ones we use in this community), everything is thoroughly validated by another person before things can be published. If theyā€™re not up to par, they are sent back to be reworked. Those of us doing paid work take it VERY seriously, and Iā€™m a bit offended to see that there is doubt. The machine learning applications have made it so that questionable scripts can be released very, very quickly. Meanwhile the paid scripts are all manually coded, frame by frame, and they absolutely take longer to produce. (Many of the free scripts are also manually coded frame by frame, and I donā€™t want to imply otherwise.)

As someone else referenced, there have been issues where certain studios have tried to get in the game and done it poorly, but those in this community (free or paid) have nothing to do with those situations.

There are a number of scripters producing free scripts here for whom I have enormous respect. There are some really fantastic free scripts out there where you can easily tell that the scripter knows what theyā€™re doing and that they put in the time to get the details right. But I would be remiss if I didnā€™t say that there is a very wide range of quality in the available free scripts. That is FAIR and TO BE EXPECTED in a community like ours. Many of the scripts posted here are first-time scripters, and this community is here to help educate. We canā€™t do that without seeing those first scripts and offering help. Beginners become great scripters if they stick with it, and this is the place to play, release first scripts, get feedback, etc. Thatā€™s largely the point of this community!

As an aside, and completely off-topic, I think the range of quality among free scripts is something of an elephant in the room within the community. I donā€™t think any of us want to be discouraging, particularly to new scripters, but not every free script is good. Some are actually pretty bad. No one wants to say anything because we want to encourage everyone as much as we can. This is a very supportive community the vast majority of the time, and I love that about this forum and larger community. But for the sake of this discussion, I donā€™t think we can pretend that all scripts are created equal. Again, I have enormous respect for some of the free scripters here, and they absolutely do work that is of the same quality as paid scripts. No one wants to be the guy who said something that made a new scripter stop scripting, and as a result thereā€™s not a lot of constructive criticism, and there are a lot of scripts that end up being unusable.

I guess what Iā€™m really saying at the end of the day is that everyone should absolutely feel free to script what they want to script. I believe the community as a whole is better served when we take aim at one of the many thousands of scenes that has never been scripted, but that belief shouldnā€™t prevent anyone from doing what they want to do. No one owns the rights to script a scene. Likewise, I feel perfectly free to produce a paid script for a scene that has a free script if I donā€™t feel that the free script is as good as it should be. Iā€™ve never chosen to do that knowingly, but I canā€™t say I never would. And if I did decide to do that, I have absolutely no right to request that the free scripts be removed.

No one should feel like they have to notify me or ā€œget my permissionā€ to publish a script for a scene Iā€™ve released professionally. I personally feel that my time is more valuable to me than $4 for something that will take me 10 or 15 hours to produce. It is a bummer about the crypto thing, and I get thatā€¦ But I still feel that the time spent would be BETTER spent producing something that has never been done before.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I think this has been a good discussion, and I love that everyone kept it civil and exchanged ideas and thoughts like adults! Another part of what makes this community great.

And in case i havenā€™t said it lately, THANK YOU to everyone who produces scripts! The time you invest in these scripts does not go unnoticed!

(Sorry for the novel)

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This exactly why we (the official scripters) at SLR refrain from making a second script for a movie that already has a script on SLR even though its allowed. We cant even create quality scripts of all the newly released scenes, so why bother making two scripts for one scene.
There are hundreds of thousands of scenes that have not been scripted yet, it is smarter to pick a movie that has no script yet.

But it is a free world if you create a script for a scene it is your creation you can do with it what you want. I have created a paid script for a movie that already had a decent free script, so it would be wrong to say a free scripter cant make and share his script for a scene that also has a paid script.

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Sorry guys if I offended anyone with my commentā€¦ :worried:
It is certainly not my intention to be negative or to start a big discussion.

Also know that English is not my native language at all and I canā€™t speak English very well, just the basics. So I always have to translate my texts with ā€˜google translateā€™. And so I sometimes donā€™t know whether ā€˜google translateā€™ uses the right words for my intention.
Thatā€™s also why I donā€™t post very often because unfortunately itā€™s always cumbersomeā€¦

I like the proposal of that award for best/good scripters. Rewarding good scripters and/or regularly putting them in the spotlight is a great motivation to keep going and to improve for newcomers. When I share a script, I really want to know what others think. I think that is often the main reason for many. If we stimulate that better and more, more people will make and share better scripts.

@mADsCRIPTS You are absolutely right that there are a lot more bad scripts out there among the free ones. And I am also convinced that most paying scripts are perfect. Definitely yoursā€¦ :wink:
I actually wanted to make the point that paid scripts shouldnā€™t become busines that would eventually suppress free scriptsā€¦

Iā€™m not saying thatā€™s the case just to be clearā€¦
But the topic starterā€™s question proves that a feeling is created whether it is allowed/okay to make free scripts that already have paid ones. :man_shrugging:

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You have a opinion, I have a opinion, there is no need to apologize. I understand the whole translation problem, english isnā€™t my native language too. This Translator is maybe better to translate from your language to english:
https://www.deepl.com/translator

To make it clear, I donā€™t take it personal if anyone donā€™t like my scripts. I donā€™t think I am god at scripting. I donā€™t see myself as a professional scripter in the future. I try to create quality scripts, nothing more.

I agree with some of the others here though. There are too much not scripted very nice VR porn out there. And if we start to talk about 2D, work will never ends :grin:. I tested some scripts on videos I like and I was disappointed with the quality, but it never occurred to me to revise the video and repost it here. If people want to do it, the internet (this forum) is a free roam for anything.


At least an example of ā€œwastedā€ work:

grafik

Evelin Stone - Speeding Up 2

The Jerk Off Games

Scripted 4 times!
30.07.2019 by Isuzu58 (free)
04.12.2020 by Schorsche (free)
22.03.2021 by Jasper666 (paid)
26.11.2021 by Gorgar (free)

I understand that Jasper666 wants to complete his Jerk Off Games Collection at realsync. But I donā€™t get it, why 3 scripts of an motion indicator video?

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Havenā€™t tried any of those (not my kind of video), but a quick glance at two showed different heat maps. So the scripts are still different, despite being ostensibly set to the same indicator.

There are any number of reasons why two scripts for the same video can differ quite notably, but one of the simplest is the target toy. I know there have been many scripts created that donā€™t follow the video exactly simply to stay within the capabilities of the Launch, for example. Re-doing those to take advantage of the speed of the OSR2 is far from wasted effort.

If you have a group of people following the same standards to reach the same goals (e.g. paid scripters on a single web site), then it makes sense to avoid overlap. But outside of that scenario, different scripts by different people for the same video will usually provide a different experience. And thatā€™s something to embrace.

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I understand peoples take on this topic. I respect peopleā€™s time and effort being rewarded by financial means. I honestly would rather buy than script my own. Ive stopped scripting ever since syncarmy was a thing. I bought a lot of scripts there til it disappeared.

On the side of people scripting their own version of a paid script, it is an access thing. Kinda like steamā€™s view on piracy. It is an access thing. People will not pirate jd they can purchase things hassle free. Obviously im not equating scripting your own version of script as piracy. Just the access part. Same with netflix.

Now, im back to scripting because i do not have access to crypto so i cannot buy from realsync as much as i want to. Ive been wanting to get my hands on stars-157. Im left with no choice but to make my own script. No one has rights to the video anyway. Everyone has a different way of scripting things. Fillers, the way the strokes are done, and what device it is aimed for.

Personally, I share every script I make. An unshared script is a waste, just like food is meant to be eaten. The choice of script is based on my personal wank material.
If it happened to be paid and I cant get it, Iā€™ll make my own. Its not like I want to ruin someone financially. I see it as DIY. Chair being the concept or the video. If i want a chair, i have a choice to either make the chair myself or buy the chair. Or making a subtitle for a fansub translation or just a normal subtitle. The video exists. Spoken words are said. Theyre just transcribing em. Theres official subs from crunchyroll or whatever but fansubbers should still be able to make their own subs if they want.

What I do NOT support is buying the same script and sharing it and slapping it as your own. Also my pov on altering a script for personal use to make the movements more pronounced. Thats the one I dont think it should be shared on purpose unless they specifically ask for it. If I like the video that much, Iā€™ll alter it and only for personal use. If not by much, i just wont bother. Iā€™ll leave a comment and move on. Lots of other videos to script. While it is true there are lots of videos to script, Iā€™ll script the video i want to use. The other videos that arent scripted arenā€™t my concern because i value the wank material i want to use more than the rest of em. I value time more significantly. If i can purchase it, i will do so
so i can script something else but i dont have access to crypto so rip. Its not like im lurking at the paid scripts section to script them and steal their potential sales. Its just the video i want to watch specifically. And in all honesty, i dont even check the paid stuff anymore because i cant get em.

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Excellent pointā€¦ Do what you want with a script privately! But I would be pretty upset about it if someone posted an edited/altered version of one of my scripts. Those who publish free scripts may feel differently and may not be as upset about it (and may be willing to allow it with permission/credit).

Should go without saying, but only post your own original works. No one owns the right to script a scene, but everyone does own the rights to the scripts they generate.

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It might be useful to add some tags that script posters can use to specify their copyright position.

Some options would be:

  • Public domain - anyone can take the script and do whatever they want with it
  • No modification - download and use the script, but do not post modified versions
  • Credited modification - you can post modifications, but must give credit to the original

Something like the second option should be considered the default in the absence of any tags, as thatā€™s consistent with actual copyright law.

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Not a bad idea, but I donā€™t want to create a problem where a problem doesnā€™t existā€¦ The community has done an excellent job of avoiding this situation up to this point, and thereā€™s no reason to believe that would change.

The fact that weā€™re having this conversation at all is evidence to the respect we give one another here. As long as we can keep things this way, I donā€™t really foresee a problem moving forward.