Lack of introduction to interactive e-stim (DG-labs Coyote 3.0)

Greetings, newsgroup.

I recently noticed the availability of the DG-Labs Coyote 3.0. The seemingly user friendly device with bluetooth and syncing capabilities tickled my perineum enough to take the leap into e-stim. The device itself is clean, the app is like the controls of an alien spaceship, and the interactive media online is a barren jungle.

I’ve spent a whole evening trying to figure out where to place the electrodes, how it interacts with edging/orgasm, strength, safety, and worse of all: how it syncs to the media we share here.

I found some forum posts here and on Milovana, electrode placement through a free ebook from a british female, but the e-stim community seems highly esoteric, and I felt/feel completely lost. (one of the firsts posts i found in here literally included ants on the exposed glans - godspeed @elektrowichser)

I found some random github-projects that syncs through serial port, and a lot of talk about “triphase” and mp3s. I read that xtoys.app could sync, and after warning galore, i managed to connect it, but it wasn’t able to play any media unless I had a subscription. The whole process was a nightmare considering I’m on linux.

In other words, I wish for some kind of introductory guide for us electro-curious fappers, that explains in clear text how we use and explore the e-stim interactively with our library and porn. Both in terms of usage (and not all the technical electro 101) with electrodes, as well as syncing with media.

xoxoxo
Shira

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There is a bit of support for the coyote here. There was a somewhat basic app for the v2 version, and a user ( @maps524 ) remade it to be nicer and work with the v3 version. The software (coyotesocket) still needs some work, but it’s functional.

https://discuss.eroscripts.com/t/dg-labs-coyote-gui-now-supporting-coyote-v3
(Scroll down in the comments to find the new version, the author didn’t make a new thread)

Once you have that set up, you can connect to MultiFunPlayer and use normal funscripts to control the coyote. (Set up coyotesocket to use websocket, then add a buttplug.io connection in Multifunplayer for that same address and port.)

For the triphase and audio file estim, you’ll probably need something other than the coyote. The coyote is different from most power boxes and can’t do the same things. For more serious estim play like that, you probably want to get an et312bt or ask on milovana for suggestions.

The esoteric isn’t just you. There are a few “power users” who are on every forum and discord server, who have created that culture. Every call for an easier to understand guide is “Write one, then”, or the guides that have been written are buried deep.

The most helpful is going to be that english lady, Joanne, and her e-stim discord server while it lasts.

I’m willing to take the initiative to “write one” for newbies/casual users, but I do however need reliable sources. If anyone want to coordinate a little project, i’m all ears.

The problem with e-stim is that it requires way more experimentation to figure it out, there is no easy plug and play solution that will work for everyone.

I would first recommend to ditch the official app and check out Howl instead - it can use funscripts and there is an option to sync a library with Kodi.

As far as electrodes and placement go, I think part of the reason for the fragmentation of all the info is how personal each set up is with all the wildly different gear and configurations available that completely change how something is felt.

Having said that, I’ll give you my go-to setup for funscripts: Channel A connects to a pad on the perinium and a loop around the cock and balls. Channel B connects to that same loop around the cock and balls and a second electrode (pad/loop/whatever) just on or underneath the glans.

Hope that helps, I’m no expert on the matter either :man_shrugging:

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High quality input, thank you

The forum is mostly dead by now, but SocialStim.org popped up as a resource in the wake of SmartStim collapse. There are some already-in-progress guides in there, and if you want to wade into the sadness, Milovana has info but it’s going to be scattered across a lot of different threads.
fwiw, this is one of the more helpful and less-inclined sites to bury a person in jargon. It’s there, but it seems users on this site are more willing to ELI5 than shrug and move along.
I’ve been a stimmer since the '00s and I don’t have a Coyote or the tech knowledge of using one like @cstimmer and don’t know much about Howl app. But many of the wiring-up principles are the same.

I started with a TENS, had a 2B and ET312, and run a 1st gen BT-Stim stereo box. FOC-Stim looks interesting, but I don’t have the time or inclination to shoehorn Restim onto my mac and spend hours figuring out settings… one of the things that had me checking out OSR2 and this world.
IOW, rambling aside - there are a few stimmers here and likely to jump in to help.

IF the Coyote can handle “tri-phase” with two inputs on the same electrode, try putting that “common” on the head, with the other A/B leads on perineum and shaft base when you run funscripts… It’ll deepen the stroking sense, you’ll get sensation the whole length plus the few inches of root. I use a Large Flo metal plug, just the tip is connected, instead of the perineum loop to trigger prostate - and with a common on the head, the right track can make it feel like I’m getting my entire system milked and squeezed and pushed and pulled. I can also run the perineum ring - depends. My usual setup is the Large Flo with the tip on A (+, or red, only using to denote the different connex points since I’m using a stereo box), a perienium loop and a shaft base loop each sharing the A/B - (black) as a common, and a glans loop with B+ (red). Or switching the common to the head, and perenium/shaft on a splitter for B+. In the first config, I can easily switch my box between “tri-phase” and dual channel where it behaves more like the Coyote. As long as your wiring is consistent, meaning you’re not swapping +/- or red/black, you’re fine. It isn’t supposed to matter with the kind of device you’re using, but it’s a good habit to start early, should you encounter a ET-312 or mains-powered device like a stereo box.

Electrodes: Sticky pads are the easiest to understand and best for figuring out where your ideal spots are. But they wear quickly, aren’t always reliable, need to be well in contact otherwise can be painful. You can trim them within reason to fit tough spots, and there are various shapes and sizes to accommodate curvature. TENSIVE gel and happystim-usa.com (don’t be scared off by the archaic webstore, he’s got everything) will be best for keeping pads sticky and source for replacements.

Conductive rubber loops - these are the Honda CRV of the stim world. Tons of them out there, they’re reliable and will get you places without much hassle or need for maintenance. But they also wear out over time - rubber is impregnated with carbon dust, and stretch/flex, use, plugging and unplugging can reduce connectivity. A length of copper wire inside the tube will help it hold shape and improve conductivity. Sensation-wise, CR loops are a little “softer” feeling with signal, and lower-power or battery op devices, you might find yourself turning it way up at ends of sessions. But they are more comfortable, you can buy tubing from 3mm-8mm in bulk and make your own 'trodes easily. Thinner tube = sharper sensation.

Metal rings: These are a whole next level. You’re not losing much conductivity like CR loops, the signal is not softened, and there is more risk with inexperience. However… in terms of definition, it ranks like this: Pads are a CRT screen. CR loops are a nice flat-screen UHD you got cheap at WalMart. Metal loops are a curved 8k, 120fps refresh gaming monitor. But… you need to size properly and should really have your “best placements” dialed in, because good ones are not cheap. EstimSystems sells an aluminum ring set, and they are nice and wide contact area, but you would need a 2mm pin - to - 4mm banana connector. 2mm is the standard TENS connection, 4mm is an audio connector.

Everyone’s body is a little different in how we process sensation, but the clusters of nerves and trigger points are pretty much the same from person to person. Your key spots are going to be:

Prostate - a toy with a top/bottom electrode config rather than on the sides (like many silicone stim options) will allow you to use that tip and target p-spot more directly. A side-side will either need a spitter cable to make it single-pole, or occupy a whole channel as a complete electrode - but that signal won’t route to the prostate specifically, it stims the whole area of the anal canal. Which can be pleasurable with the right shape, since it is engaging the PC muscles and wiggling a prostate toy around. A top/bottom toy can be good for a “ghost fuck”, since the contact points are outside the sphincter and inside, having a “pull-push” effect.

Around the hole: not everyone wants a butt plug. I don’t understand why… in all the years, there are always men who will chase every option besides and get frustrated with not being able to easily find the holy grail of a prostate orgasm. Consequently, they have some preferred sticky-pad placements that can work for some… A pad just between tailbone and hole, or 2 pads on either side, can help direct signal through PC and nearby. Personally - guys probably should be a little less uptight and try a plug. Most of the folks chasing pad placement to trigger any prostate stim, wind up a few months later asking about butt plugs…

Perineum - the taint, the area behind the balls is where a bunch of nerves bundle and the root of your penis begins. You’ll see almost every wiring diagram try to hit this spot, for a reason!

Balls - some folks like pads or electrodes on their balls. It’s not an area I prefer unless I’m in a specific session with a pro domme, and we’re doing CBT. But to each their own!

Shaft Base - If you stim this area with a loop, it’s a good idea to insulate the top of your shaft at this point, because signal through the dorsal nerve can overload you fast, make you number, and can also be too intense. You want penis electrodes to contact on the under side (generally).

Head: some like an all-over head electrode, and they are out there… but mostly a loop or ring works well here. Pads not so much - because if you leak fluid (you will), the pad comes off. Again, most folks prefer stimulation on the underside, and a loop sized properly will rest on the frenulum.

Sounds: Hooooboy… Yeah I’m gonna suggest doing a lot of research before the highest-risk activity in an already somewhat risky side of play. Bacteriostatic gel is a must. Sterilizing things is a must. This is not newcomer stuff.

Some like to put a loop midway on the shaft, some folks choose slight variations depending on their body. I’m a “state-changer” - meaning I go from soft to hard and back, a bunch during a session. So I have my metal loops sized for my fullest state, and some silicone inserts from Joanne’s shop, to “fill out” the spaces when I’m softer, to maintain good contact.

Lube? Some say metal rings don’t require water based lube or Spectra360 gel. Personally I find a more enjoyable long session if I’m lubed. Anything going inside is getting a generous helping of water based lube. Conductive rubber should be using water based lube or Spectra360 conductive gel. Spectra isn’t suited for internal use and it has a bunch of ingredients you don’t want to be shoving up against your cancer-magnet (prostate).

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Adding a couple related pro-tips, too, since I’d rather talk about this than get any work done today…

  1. Butt play? Get an anal douche. Aneros makes one, it’s the easiest to keep clean for long reuse in my experience (been pegging with my partner longer than the term has been around). You’re not gving yourself an enema (unless you’re into that), you’re giving your anal canal and rectum a rinse - don’t need to empty the whole bulb, just do half at a time, and immediately evacuate. If you’ve got a decent diet with regular movements, one-three shots will have you squeaky clean inside. It’s helpful because any debris in there will affect signal. I quickly grew to appreciate the very clean feeling, and I’ll even give myself a rinse if things haven’t moved along all that well in my regular morning “appointment”. A side benefit is the process has a kind of “wake up/warm up” effect on the pelvic muscles.

  2. Hair removal. To get the best contact with e-stim, smooth skin is best. Even just in the spots you’ll be placing a loop or pad - you don’t need to go whole hog. But… lots of guys will tell you, it does make for a lot more slide-y/slippery fucking, and a lot of folks are MUCH more enthusiastic with oral when there isn’t lots of hair. A SWer once told me “If there’s no hair, I take it as a green light for my mouth and tongue…” Yes, she meant butt hair too, I learned! My partner also concurs, and my depilation habits have inspired her to extend hers to a wider area… “Hey, I just waxed my butthole” means its going to be a great week to be my face.

You don’t need to wax or laser - a 3-4 blade safety razor works pretty well, just go slowly and use conditioner as shave gel. Don’t shave daily, it’s not your face, and irritating these follicles isn’t fun. I have thick hairs, and once a week is enough to avoid breakouts, ingrowns, and too-stubbly. Waxing requires some grow-out, and I would not recommend DIY…the home kits suck. We did acquire a Braun home laser hair remover - my partner wanted to reduce her shaving frequency and I have used it as well - it does work, but takes about 3 months of regular use before you’ll notice it takes 2-3x as long for hair to regrow and it comes in a lot thinner.

Time: Getting your electrode placements, finding the kinds of files/signals, and how long a session can go to work for you, can be frustrating and the temptation to hurry is there. But when you do find that sweet spot, it’s well worth it.

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Thank you. This is the kind of quality info thats worth cataloging.

And thanks for introducing me to the term “cancer magnet” instead of prostate. That one will be used far beyond this forum.

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Lost a couple family members to prostate cancer - take care of that thing, men. And I don’t just mean “stimulate it as frequently as possible for orgasmic bliss”, despite how fun that aspect of cancer prevention can be… Diet, exercise, get checked early and often, and read labels of things you’re going to put in your butt.

how do you achieve an orgasm through the prostate?

Im sorry, bro. Of course doing what i can to keep it healthy, although i don’t know what negative impact stimulating it from the inside could have.
I’ve understood that keeping a healthy prostate is keeping it active, so i would only assume stimulating it physically (and indirectly electrically) would only be positive - if done in moderation ofc.

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same way you get to Carnegie Hall

Give some advice

practice,practice,practice. Its the punchline to the joke and also the answer to the question.

Practice is not advice

I’m aware that he was insinuating to practice but again that is not advice which is why I asked fot advice

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The first go around, I had just written a freakin novel. And there is a LOAD of other posts in so many places online about finding a prostate O… and all say the same thing: It’s individual. my telling you what worked for me, isn’t going to work for you.

The second go, you didn’t ASK, you demanded. In a 3 word reply. I thought about a cheeky “Go fuck yourself” but on second thought it was way too harsh.

Practice is advice. Sorry it wasn’t what you wanted to hear. Lots of info in the post already. Aneros device forums are still active.

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I’m more or less asking what his process of achieving a prostate o is I wouldn’t call that a demand it’s in text which might be less obvious but it was a question

Still getting an individual perspective is helpful