Good to know. What do you think is a fair price for a script?
I think the current pricing of $4-5 is pretty fair (based on the quality of SLR’s scripts). Obviously as I consumer, the cheaper the better, and I’d buy more scripts if they were cheaper (my wishlist is not empty 
) but that’s a price I’m OK to pay. I’d also expect that automation would help bring that price down a bit.
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The communication from NA and Handy could be better in terms of how the service works, but saying that theh tried to scam us is an overraction. Their older scripts were terrible and these seems somewhat decent, there is a room for improvment but if you scroll back over this shitshow like 100 post or so you will actually see a comment where Handy is asking for feedback to improve their scripts even more, so there is a hope and will at least.
Here is what I think you guys should do:
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Because you have to re-download the scripts every 30 days add a “download all scripts button” or something like that so the process is not annoying. You could also provide a tool that will let people rename downloaded scripts in a matter of seconds. The tool would be crucial for people who use local vidoes so they won’t get annoyed that every month they have to rename downloaded scripts to the name of the video. I don’t know if it’s something hard to do, I’m not a dev but even simple executable that uses txt file where you put the name of the script before and after like “name1 - name2” would be amazing in this case. Noone wants to rename the scripts every 30 days.
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If you want feedback for your scripts create a separate topic where you upload one of the scripts - preferably without drm so the script is easier to check in any scripting software. A free video for said scripts would be appreciated and also could be used on the NA’s site as sample of what you offer. This is of course up to you. This topic is dead for any feedback anyways.
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Offer scripts as separate items to buy after hearing feedback and improving the scripts to what a community find decent enough to buy. If they will have drm $5 is too much in my opinion, simply from the fact that you can’t edit the files yourself if you want to, but $2-3 seems like a reasonable price for a script of good quality with “eternal” drm token, that won’t change. Make a token individual to each purchase and you won’t have to worry about piracy, but it would also require a system that allows for something like that.
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This is not even remotely true. NA/TNGF are perhaps a 3 on the Realcumber scale, and the hoops you have to jump through to get them to even work locally makes them not even worth that.
- Token scripts will provide a faster setup time.
- For now, you save a couple of seconds, but with our streaming protocol, we hope to make the setup ~instant.
This is also BS. With any other script I buy or download, I can put it in a folder and play it, along with my video, on DeoVR simply by pressing play. That takes literally seconds.
if I want to play your videos locally (because, let’s be honest, NA/TNGF have the shittiest websites and players of any of the major sites), I had to:
Download and configure scriptplayer
Re-download most of my library because scriptplayer doesn’t seem to handle h265
Purchase and configure Virtual Desktop
get DeoVR to play nicely with both Virtual Desktop and scriptplayer
After all that, I get to experience middling quality scripts that expire and need to be re-download or keep me subscribing forever.
I could give a crap about whether “NA fails in the interactive space”. What I do care about is that
a. this model will make it suck for everyone if it gets adopted
b. NA and Handy have been misleading about how it works from the start
You are trying to turn our experience of professional quality scripts into Walmart, and in the exact same way - by flooding the market with cheap crap until artisan scripters are crowded out.
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Actually, this comparison is unfair. The price you are quoting is for a non-recurring, 30 day only sub at SLR. None of the others offer that, only 30 day recurring. That is why I compared SLR’s 30-day recurring price with theirs, since it is apples to apples. I imagine SLR offers 30 day non-recurring at a slightly higher price to offset the likelihood of mass downloaders. Most other sites only let you do a 1-sub for that.
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Your current script model is more like SLR streaming scripts from consumer perspective. It would be great if you have another tier of script subscription that offers drm-free scripts. In other words, unlimited downloads like CzechVR.
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This is not true. As I mentioned it’s only fair if you compare all the prices with or without discounts, and for SLR it’s $50 no matter if it’s recurring or not. See the -20% tag? Look at the real price:
And this “buy in the next 5 minutes or lose the discount” timer that resets every 5 minutes
I can as well say that it’s not fair to put NA in the range of $42 because with the discount you can pay for it $5-6 a month (I know it because I subbed for that price).
Funny how from “The scripts works great!” you became the hater and are trying so hard to convince people that SLR is better at every aspect. Makes whole thing seem staged and very suspicious to me, especially that SLR’s start at scripting wasn’t very smooth as well.
As already mentioned by Handy, the scripts work in Heresphere and I wouldn’t be suprised if the DeoVR devs at SLR fucked things up so it’s not working with some scripts besides SLR anymore. Makes it very convienient for them to not allow the use of NA’s scripts. I remember when DeoVR used to be great, once SLR put their hands on it, they stripped it out from a lot of features to fit their vision.
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The more interactive video adaptation by studios leads to better end user experience. The only thing that I don’t like is restricting users. Hopefully with more competition they stop that practice.
Sorry, what? The very first time I posted in this thread, I said “the scripts seem to work great”, in which I was responding to others earlier in the thread saying they couldn’t get them to work at all (as they had been fixed at that point). It was not a remark on quality. Further, that very comment was just the first sentence in a post trying to get ANY clarity on the convoluted relationship between NA and TNGF, whether their script sub covers both, and later, what was up with the weird tokens we download. The point at which I became “the hater” was when I encountered NA/TNGF’s awful customer service, actually used the scripts and saw that the quality was crap, and finally, after dozens of posts in multiple places, got them to admit that their scripts are DRM and expire.
To be honest, it seems like it’s you that has the grudge against SLR for some reason. SLR does have more, better, and cheaper scripts than any of the other sites. Your method of comparison on prices is a bit twisted, and I don’t know what discount you think gets you NA for 5-6 dollars a month. Since you are fond of screenshots:
One month, recurring is 31.95, like I said. Note the bottom disclaimer that all subs rebill automatically. The cheapest offer is $10 a month, if you pay for a year, but I wasn’t comparing yearly prices and I explicitly said so in my post.
Also, look here:
Your point about the silly countdown timer is superfluous. The 20% discount represents the difference between subbing for a monthly rebill vs. one month only.
Finally:
There’s my account page - a paying sub, like anyone else. Take a look at my posting history here, on Reddit - Dive into anything, or the SLR discussion board, and you’ll quickly see that I have given SLR (and @doublevr ) a fair ration of shit when I thought they were wrong (removing DLNA, speaking rudely on threads, systematic lack of scripts for ebony models, etc). But I also give them credit where credit is due: there is nothing factually incorrect or misleading about anything I have said. Sorry you don’t seem to like SLR, but if you think that any of the other sites match their dollar-for-dollar value and quality of product, I don’t know what to tell you, man. You’re entitled to your opinion. My goal is to keep getting quality, professional scripts made, and not see this NA/Handy scheme force the scripters out and leave us with crappy, automated, DRM’d Walmart scripts.
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The guy is not worth your time. His posts are crap as he is super delusional
And let me know those ebony scenes to script
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I think SLR is still the best. 
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Dude, you literally stated that you subbed to NA and they seem to work great. So what you subbed, haven’t used them and just wrote that “they seem to work great”? I doubt it. Have you tired SLR scripts or is you opinion based on other replies too? /s
A discount is a discount. If there is a text saying it’s a 20% deal than it’s a discount. If you go shopping and see a label saying something is 20% off you really think it’s the actual price? The $6 price on NA is from the Black Friday deal, but as I wrote you either compare the prices with or without any cuts on all sites, otherwise it’s pointless. Btw it’s what I get (US):
The countdown on SLR is for a reason and it’s a stupid, shady tactic that a lot of pornsites use to get their customer think they otherwise will miss out on a crazy good deal. And across all those sites it means nothing because when it runs out it just reset or stop at 0:00 and doesn’t change anything at all.
Back to the point of the conversation:
I think that expecting the Handy team to make scripts of realcumber’s quality is not fair if they just started and they are open for feedback. You think that realcumber was this good from the beginning? These are years of experience and the quality of the scripts is not SLR’s success, but rather one man that was selling his scripts for a long time now. If you want to have similar quality scripts on NA then the honest feedback is what could change it into a reality. Saying “these scripts sucks, slr is better” is a way to make studios not interested in adding interaction to their videos. If Handy will manage to improve their scripts and show it’s succesful, this might get more bigger studios interested in their services which means more scripts for us. Imagine getting scripts for videos from VirtualTaboo / WankzVR / BadoinkVR for an affordable price with a decent quality.
It’s easy to judge if you’ve never tried scripting something yourself.
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@RotiRoh @withy if you sign up to TonightsGirlfriend.com you will get access to interactivity through TonightsGirlfriend. If you have a problem, let us know.
If anyone has any issue with any of the scripts on Naughty America or Tonights Girlfriend, please let us know the video, the time code and how it can be improved.
If anyone has any issue with any of the scripts on Naughty America or Tonights Girlfriend, please let us know the video, the time code and how it can be improved.
I’ll try to have a go at this, one thing I’ve noticed repeatedly in some of the videos is that there are often wild unnecessary resetting movements, for example when the woman lets go of the penis for a second, especially in threesome scenes where the other woman then takes it. So one actress lets go, then for some reason the Handy goes all the way to full penetration mode rather than zero penetration, then it rapidly zooms back to where the next actress’s hand grabs it. These are jarring motions and do not reflect the reality of the scene. One of the first rules I learned when scripting was that it’s better to lose a stroke than gain an additional one, especially a really fast one in an otherwise fairly sedate scene. Let the Handy just rest at 30% or whatever for a second or two and resume moving when the other actress grabs it.
The more recent scenes I’ve checked out have far less of this so it seems that maybe it’s part of the learning curve. Either that or one scripter knows what they’re doing and another doesn’t. With the scripting being anonymous it’s really hard to tell. But I believe that the scripting will improve as it goes along. I’m not sure if I’ll continue with NA though unless I can maybe get a year bundle that includes the site sub and scripting. I certainly don’t want to be paying for for NA than for SLR which has a superior product. I really would prefer a solution that doesn’t involve having to constantly redownload the tokens too, maybe they could base it on the NA subscriber DB? I’m definitely continuing with SLR and nothing will change that, but I do love a lot of those classic NA scenes too.
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Thank you very much. Feedback is being passed along. What do you like about SLR’s Product over Naughty America? Their variety is a nice touch and they do have more scripts
DRM free scripts 
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Well it’s mainly the volume and quality of scripts. Tbh a higher percentage of NA stuff is to my taste than SLR, I tend to go more often for busty/milfy type actresses, which NA seems to use more often. I have discovered a lot of great younger/more natural actresses through SLR though. NA just seems to have more footage of the US superstars of the last decade.
SLR of course also has the DRM-free scripts but I can see that from the point of view of rights holders, DRM scripts are really the only way to secure a product that is under 200kb, and will probably be shared more frequently as the market grows. I think Husky was spot-on with his points earlier about an ‘eternal’ DRM token and again about the price of it (not yet at the SLR/RC standard).
I do think that one aspect where NA is slightly edging SLR is that you can use the highest-res downloaded video and still use that in combination with any of the available online scripts. I find that the highest-res video streaming is liable to buffering etc. I personally wouldn’t mind a similar system at SLR, including of course the ‘eternal DRM’ idea so that you can buy access to a script forever, though one real issue with this is that it prevents end-user adjustment/refinement. I do feel that this would mean I for one would be less likely to buy additional scripts past my subscription so I personally would be ok with a fee increase to reflect this, as I think the scripters deserve to be well paid for what is really painstaking work.
Anyway it’s very late and I struggle to keep to a topic so I’ll spare you any more for now.
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Oh and btw, if you have any say over which VR scenes get scripted, I would dearly love to see the following scenes, they’re among the first VR Porn I ever saw back in the Gear VR days
Natalia Starr fucking in the bed with her natural tits (naughtyamerica.com)
Angela White fucking in the couch with her blue eyes vr porn (naughtyamerica.com)
Especially the first one! Thanks!
Thank you for taking your time to break this all down. Much appreciate. Enjoy your evening.
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