Why are Cock Heros / PMVs / HMVs so popular?

i avoid pmvs or anything with blasting music entirely

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  • Visually very stimulating, because you have many scenes in one video
  • You often have full strokes in it, which seem to be the most pleasant for most people

I mainly like EDM ones because the beats are more consistent and obvious. Melodic songs from other genres are less appealing to me.

Theyā€™re not my personal cup of tea but theyā€™re relatively much quicker to script than full length videos. Iā€™ve done one on request. It was fun to do and pretty popular.

Iā€™d rather focus my attention on full length videos if possible, but the time it takes to make an actual high quality 40+ minute script with tons of actions is rough. PMVS, Cock Heroes, and HMVS can be a nice detour I guess. There seems to be a niche of people who do them all the time, so I steer away from them. I like to focus on things that probably wonā€™t be scripted.

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I like Cock Hero scripts because they can give you strokes that you wouldnā€™t get in a normal scene that can feel awesome and can be unexpected, but sometimes there too fast or too vibrating also

I think I would seperate PMV/HMV from Cock hero/fap hero videos, at least from the well made ones and consider them seperately. Mainly because pmv/hmv doesnā€™t usually have time to have much in the way of buildup or progression, which I would say are the hallmarks of a well done cock hero or fap hero.

I will watch the pmv/hmv sometimes if the topic seems interesting because I know it wonā€™t be that long. I find really good ones to be rare and getting a good pmv that also has a great script to be even rarer. Iā€™m a little on the fence as to wether I actually like them even though I watch a fair few.

I think some of my favourite videos of all time are probably cock hero and fap hero videos. The best in my opinion tend to have a consistent theme or story running through them, a good and interesting progression both in the scenes and in the moves and also have the beats and the on-screen action synced up from the start, removing the need to ask if it is music or action based as it would be hard to tell them apart anyway.

In the very beginning they were rare but regularly made to a high standard, it was pretty great when a new one dropped. These days they seem much more common but sync, well thought out progression and content that isnt just random flashes from different scenes with music stuck over the top seem to be pretty rare.

I like that with a good one iā€™m going on an interesting journey that will get me there in the end but take itā€™s time to build to a great finish.

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You inevitably reach a point where the potential of actions based hits a wall. Thereā€™s only so much variety that can be generated from a dozen or so muscle groups of a moderately in shape person. The average pornstar has to maintain a certain level of fitness to be able to get through longer scenes, but theyā€™re not olympic athletes. There is a limit to their speed and complexity/variability of movement. I start to get bored with the same simple repetitive movements. Yes, a scripter can spice things up, but there is only so much you can do without it being disjointed. Newer scripts with stuttering movement are a prime example. Not that theyā€™re bad, but it is a crutch for what would otherwise boring movement.

The potential of music is near limitless. Dynamic rhythms with nothing holding it back. Porn is made on a conveyor belt and pushed out. The market canā€™t afford for them to make anything overly special or unique. Introducing music and basing movement off of it adds the special and unique part that is missing. Iā€™ve experienced the same song in many different PMVs and every one of them had a different take on translating the song to movement. Meanwhile, actions scripts are still hitting the same down-stroke and up-stroke points. Itā€™s rigid and boring. Even with multi-axis, how many pornstars are going full belly dancer or stepping out of a single axis of movement to an extent that it would have bearing on a full length script? Iā€™d rather have a multi-axis PMV that uses different parts of the song for different axis movements.

I think they are great fun, like the challenge element. Love the edgy ones with the breaks in and how the beats change things up. I think its just very different from Sex so its novel.

I cant get enough of those and the JOIā€™s, great fun.

For me the realism part doesnt get through it, there is always that artificial feeling. Mainly because most of the time there are other actions being performed, which the device cant transfer (suction and multiple actions combined). And there is the part where rythm is adjusted towards the ā€˜intensityā€™ in order to last longer etc. This just doesnt convert to such device as it instead will just continue at full strength, or already slow down earlier. Dynamic videos would be very welcome here, where you can basicly mark the cumshot moment yourself when it happens (by pressing a button), and the video responds to it then.

And for that reason i just go for things that arent ment to be realistic. CH and PMVs handle this quite well, just like some animated stuff. CHā€™s and PMVs are more of a ā€˜how long can you lastā€™ chalenge which for me works better. PMVs are good if i want to go for something quick, CHs when i want to take some longer time.

JOIā€™s also work well because they try to give the same idea as CHā€™s. But even then, they most of the time also focus on multiple actions, where the device lacks. But outside of that, they offer a decent enough experience.

I dont need overly intense scripts. For CH videos i prefer the slower ones (yet still full strokes, half strokes feel very off to me). And in some cases just edit the scripts to be full stroke and slower (basicly a variety script). But most of the time those edits are very simple (and not worth posting here).
Faster CHs are nice when you got a numbing effect and still want to finish.

I used to not care for PMVs or HMVs, and I thought CH was a cool idea before I got a handy (I grew up playing rhythm games, not Osu! or Guitar Hero I mean Beatmania IIDX, Popā€™n and DDR, Jubeat, SDVX so Iā€™ve always liked the idea of ā€œpassingā€ or ā€œfailingā€ a song, I also was a Hardcore DJ for awhile). I made charts for stepmania back in the day (which Iā€™m still trying to translate to the handy). I originally bought the handy to bring my Koikatsu/Honey Select stuff to life. Once I got the handy and started scripting I realized how good thing this thing follows a beat, and the rest resulted being me stuck in this space. When picking what to script this is my criteria:

Song must have a stand out quality - Even if itā€™s a unique sound, or a bouncy bass. Anything that will translate to an interesting pattern. Female vocalists have become my recent favorite. Iā€™ve even scripted ASMR voices.

If including action, I need at least 8 strokes of movement. - Quick cut videos of a girl bouncing her head up and down for 1-2 seconds isnā€™t going to translate well. But it may be perfect for audio sync.

On screen action matches the pace of the music in terms of switches, cuts, or movement. Otherwise I have to exaggerate, which isnā€™t always good.

If switching scenes during action, the stroke needs continuity, in example. If a scene ends at the top of a stroke, the following clip should also be a the top. Otherwise Iā€™m going to have to hide it between music.

But honestly, Iā€™m getting burned out on scripting/posting PMVs/HMVs (and the lack of feedback, this really takes a lot of time, and effort to do, almost as much as mixingā€¦ plus this post opened my eyes to a lot), so Iā€™ve really slowed down on what I post, script privately (because I know what I like), or just not post at all.

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It feels really disappointed when you create something yourself that you want to share with others and then get zero feedback for it. You think ā€œThat is pretty cool and I am proud and happy it turned out so good. I bet people will like it!ā€ And then nobody leaves any feedback. Itā€™s an absolute motivation killer.
I can see you put a lot of thought and effort into your scripts and what videos you choose.

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A lot of free content is paid for through advertising. Or through crowdsourcing data that you then can make money with.

There is no such way to do that for scripts, but people still think they should have free access to it. So why would they thank you if they already expect to get it anyway?

Because motivation/direction/feedback will help better pick the videos/scripts for sharing to get better response, instead of taking shots into the dark, hoping some will hit. Because when they donā€™t hit:

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Iā€™m not learning anything about the audience. Like I said, I was a DJ, I need crowd/audience feedback to better select these things, and broaden my own range. Otherwise:


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ā€œThank youā€ is a different thing to ā€œfeedbackā€, or at least to my understanding.

This post can be relevant on that matter

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PMVs are just something else when youā€™re high.

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It was a rhetorical question. :wink: Not a justification.

That wasnā€™t the point I wanted to make :wink:
Iā€™m a scripter myself, and actively help take down script Pirates :policeman.

On the struggle between action-based and music-based script, I donā€™t believe there needs to be such a dichotomy. PMV/HMVs is about the unison between audio and visuals, script can be handled cleverly to work with both, or striking a balance in between.

If a PMV/HMV needs a distinction between action and audio, because thereā€™s hardly any correlation between the two, then might as well disqualify the video as an MV. :fire: :fire: :fire:


On a side note, I think music-based scripts are an interesting genre on its own, and does not have to be considered an ā€œalternativeā€ to action-based ones. This is where scripting become an artistic gesture more than a utilitarian practice.

The following are some examples of scripts that has parts based entirely off music:

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This is the question that you can almost always ask yourself no matter what you script, e.g. ā€œwhy should you script a video with an unknown girl when you can script a video with Sasha Foxxx and get X times more views and likes?ā€ I think itā€™s rather obvious that if you script popular videos like PMVs you will get more views. This goes for every video, e.g. vr scripts get also more likes when compared to 2d videos. Both cases you will make a lot of people happy, they just have different preferences.

The way I look at it is: because you enjoy it. As long as you like it and you feel that scripting PMVs and such will help you motivate yourself there is nothing against it. However, if you feel like you wonā€™t enjoy it and ā€œforceā€ yourself to do it, it will have completely different effect. So the question you should ask yourself is rather: ā€œWill I enjoy it as well?ā€.

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God that song is horrible :rofl: donā€™t think I ever came across it in a pmv though thank God lol also wish people would stop using WAP that song makes me want to shove ice picks in my ears

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For me itĀ“s several things.First as you mentioned, those videos are usually very stimulating on a visual level.
But I also collected normal amvĀ“s and similar clips for a long time. If done right, the editingquality alone can do a lot to please in a different way, the beat of the music added to thisā€¦a well done pmv has almost something asmr-like on a pleasurelevel. it just scratches this itch you also have in music building up tension to be fully released in the last chorus. IĀ“m not sure anyone understands what I try to say hereā€¦
On top thereĀ“s just more room for creative scripting, movements that are hugely stimulating and switching around; as long as you match the beat you are free to do what you want. With other scripts you are often bound to what is happening.
When it comes to action- or musicbased, both can be good. Even better if it switches on some occasions where it makes sense. I canĀ“t think of any specific right now (and IĀ“m too lazy to search for it), but IĀ“ve seen videos posted here where this was very well done.
Soā€¦pmvĀ“s rise and fall with the qualitywork of whoever put the clips and scripts together I think. Normal videos might be easier to script, while being more work overall, but you have more guidelinesā€¦
It just feels that you have a way bigger range in pmvĀ“s from really good to really bad scripts that just donĀ“t work; with porn, as long as the person scripting follows the action, you canĀ“t do as much wrongā€¦but then again I havenĀ“t that much experience at all, soā€¦could be completely wrong here :grimacing:

My two cents,

I tend to gravitate to it (especially the split screen ones) because its more imaginative and interesting. Most scripts that try to recreate sex feels redundant and quite frankly boring.

I personally felt thehandy worked better for content that is less realistic and more creative.

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