Thanks for this, now I understand where the meme in my phone came from. (can’t post it here due to content but eh it’s out there)
A whole bunch of PMV creators are dropping 1-2 min vids on pmvhaven, some are uploading a ton at once, and in the description is almost always a “for full length, subscribe” link to a linktree with only a Patreon, or just the Patreon link. But their pages show no actual lengths of the “full version”, you have no idea what you’re subscribing to…
Which turns out to just be 30 more seconds or a minute longer. Great, I just dropped $10 hoping for some quality content.
Enshittification.
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Pmvhaven is full of spammy ad videos anyways. It’s on them for choosing not to moderate it. We need to be better than that.
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Sony pulled that, and so did NCSoft, though I think DIVX is the OG for getting people to trust them and turning off the servers. Louis Rossman (on youtube) covers a lot of these shitty companies and products that were not satisfied to selling a good product and making money from it, but becoming parasites.
I’m infuriated by “End of Service” and “End of Support” BS to get me to upgrade to what works out to be essentially a more expensive and worse version of the product, and now with even more spyware installed into ring zero.
There’s entire gaming companies that I refuse to do any business with, EA being the prime example.
I don’t have a problem with people making a buck. I have a problem with people being scammy and deceptive.
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Have we come to a decision on the trend of some JAV VR scripters posting “teaser” scripts in Free Scripts then advertising their paid scripts in the same posts?
Using this recent post as an example, there is an issue that I think merits consideration.
In the Free Scripts post, the scripter is clearly advertising for-cost scripts.
- The preview pics include portions of action ONLY in the paid sections.
- The description and notes are not explicitly about just the free portion.
- The MEGA link includes the video portions for the paid scripts.
- And, most damning, the scripter provides direct links to the PayHip where they sell the other portions.
In my mind this essentially makes this a Paid Script post with an additional free sample attached. Now, if the scripter had merely provided a link to the Paid Scripts thread he created to also advertise the for-cost portions, I think that would have been reasonable.
Right now advertising part 1s is fine.
The caveat is that the free script needs to be able to stand on it’s own.
The example post you showed to me looks fine.
Paid links posted directly in the free post is off-topic and should be posted in paid scripts.
Report that post and I will action it.
Ok, thanks.
I had flagged it as off-topic previously, so cannot report it again to add the appropriate details.
Dealt with. While looking at that report. it should be noted that reports with no details will pretty much guarantee I will reject them. marking it off-topic only adjusts the priority in the review panel. Providing details lets me know why you reported it and I can look into that, otherwise I’d have to look for longer and figure out why it was reported. (select something else and provide more detail)
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Due to recent flags, I’m considering strengthening the rules in Free Scripts to address issues with the small percentage of users who push boundaries.
Main Content Requirements
All content in the main section of a Free Scripts post:
- MUST focus exclusively on the free script being shared
- MUST NOT include references to the script being incomplete or a “preview”
- MUST have all images directly related to the portion of the video covered by the free script
- MUST show actual duration of the free script content
There have been reported topics which are essentially advertisements for paid content with only 30% of the video scripted.
Should main content be restricted to only free script information?
- Yes, I support making this a mandatory rule
- Yes, but the rule needs to be more specific or flexible
- This is a good practice but should remain optional, not a rule
- No, this shouldn’t be a requirement
- Neutral
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“Ads” Section Requirements
If a post contains promotional content for paid scripts or other products:
- All promotional content MUST be confined to a clearly labeled “Ads” section
The “Ads” section MUST begin with a header labeled “Ads” or “Promotional Content”- The “Ads” section MUST be separated from the main content with visible dividers (
---) if it exceeds half a screen in height - The “Ads” section MUST appear AFTER the main free script content, not before
Most users including a few Patreon links or references to other topics are already compliant. This clarification addresses cases where excessive promotional content overshadows the free script.
Should promotional content require a separate “Ads” section?
- Yes, I support making this a mandatory rule
- Yes, but the rule needs to be more specific or flexible
- This is a good practice but should remain optional, not a rule
- No, this shouldn’t be a requirement
- Neutral
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Script Links MUST Have Click Counter
Links to scripts MUST include click counters (i.e., remove the |attachment parameter).
There have been reports where users couldn’t find script links because they were buried in text without visible counters.
Should script links be required to have a counter?
- Yes, I support making this a mandatory rule
- Yes, but the rule needs to be more specific or flexible
- This is a good practice but should remain optional, not a rule
- No, this shouldn’t be a requirement
- Neutral
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First Edition MUST Include Script Attachment
To prevent dead links, the first edition of any post in Free Scripts
- MUST include the script as a direct attachment
- MAY be edited afterward to replace with external links
- This ensures scripts can be recovered from post history if external links die
Should first editions require direct script attachments?
- Yes, I support making this a mandatory rule
- Yes, but the rule needs to be more specific or flexible
- This is a good practice but should remain optional, not a rule
- No, this shouldn’t be a requirement
- Neutral
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Free Edition Length Requirement
Free editions of paid scripts MUST be at least 30% as long as the paid version.
There’s a guy who posted 2 music vids, 1st being free, and got flagged. I want to have a rule to say “meh by rules it’s fine.”
Should free scripts have a minimum length requirement relative to paid versions?
- Yes, I support the 30% minimum length rule
- Yes, but the percentage should be different
- This is a good practice but should remain optional, not a rule
- No, this shouldn’t be a requirement
- Neutral
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MUST/MAY are capitalized following RFC standards terminology
In general I think most of those are “good practice” and just polling for opinions. Ain’t gonna add rules if it’s not literally everyone (90% of 50) saying it should be one
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If the point of that rule is to make the links visible, I personally think the rule should be about ensuring the links are visible and easy to access instead of making it about click counters. The way it’s presented looks a lot like a XY problem.
Rules are good and needed. But I think there is a thin line between necessary rules that make the forum better and unnecessary rules that makes posting a script harder. See, if a user has to follow too many rules for creating a thread and post a script, they might don’t even bother with it and don’t post their script at all. Which would be contra productive. I think what we all want is more content and not less content.
I posted it another thread where I suggested a review section, where I stated I think putting too many rules in will lead to less people posting. People won’t bother reading through too many rules and guidelines. It is what it is these days, the attention span is really low for most people. They just won’t read through many lines of rules and guidelines. If they see they have to follow many rules to post a free script, they may don’t bother posting it. Instead of too many rules, there should be more general consent for some stuff. For example, attaching the script directly in the thread and not hosting the script on another site. Personally, I think that is an unnecessary rule to have to host the script here. Is it better to attach the script directly in the thread? Yes, of course. Do we really need a rule for that? Personally, I don’t think so.
With most of the things, the community will handle it itself. Let the community decide and choose what they want to see, what creators they support, on what links they click, on what not. If a creator always hosts their script on an external site and people don’t like it, people will stop liking the thread, will stop clicking on that. Then the creator may think: Why are my likes and views so low? Maybe I should attach the script directly in the thread and not link them to an external site.
What I want to say is, give the community more responsibility to handle such things. The community is capable of doing most of these by itself. There will be people commenting saying "Could you please attach the script directly in the thread for us? I don’t like always having to go to an external site to download the script.
However, if you decide for a more “rule orientated route”, make to sure to update either this post here → About the Scripts category - Scripts - EroScripts or make a pinned “Read before post” thread in the free script section.
On another note, I wanted to ask: Any reason this thread is still pinned? RealSync upcoming syncs - Scripts - EroScripts
Last post is from November 24. The thread is completely inactive. To provide a better overview, you may should consider to unpin that thread.
This is an important factor I take when considering rules. I’m almost never in favor of restricting freedoms. Restrictions need good justifications that should either promote the goals of something while remaining fair for everyone involved or specifically restrict abusive behavior.
I like some of the ideas here but someone them seem excessive. I don’t like the idea of an ads category. Literally no one will go into it and it will be filtered heavily completely killing value of promotions.
I think we should have a clear definition of what advertising/promotional content looks like but sectioning it off is a mistake.
The forum is for both script makers and script users and neither should be unfair to the other.
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- MUST focus exclusively on the free script being shared.
I don’t see how this could be enforced and exclusive is overreaching imo.
- MUST focus exclusively on the free script being shared.
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- MUST NOT include references to the script being incomplete or a “preview”.
This is already sortof a rule incomplete scripts go in Incomplete Scripts
- MUST NOT include references to the script being incomplete or a “preview”.
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- MUST have all images directly related to the portion of the video covered by the free script
This is just adding difficulty to making a most, not even sure how we would enforce this.
- MUST have all images directly related to the portion of the video covered by the free script
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- MUST show actual duration of the free script content
This I can get behind. It’s simple and really should be there.
- MUST show actual duration of the free script content
I think the click counter is useful but should be optional.
I disagree with the scripts must be attachments at least once in post history. This takes licensing control from anything they post in the free scripts section.
We should handle deadlinks with archival/revival processes (to be handled in the future)
I agree with the 30% figure being tied to the paid version length we’ve been playing that by ear and I think this is a fair and straight forward metric.
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Correct. When considering new rules, what always should be in mind, would this hinder people in publishing content in any way? Would this drive creators away? Would it make life harder for potential new creators?
It always should be as easy as possible for creators to share their work here. Without the creators, the forum is nothing. And it should be welcoming and easy for new creators to start creating and sharing their content.
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Please consider my poll more as formalizing existing guidelines then adding new rules people should follow
I’ve asked AI to fix stuff there and likely missed a bunch of its over thinking like this one
I’ll recheck it later and fix what I didn’t write property
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- That’s more of “please move images that are obviously not in free ch1 to the Ads section to not confuse people on what it contains” ref
This is more aboit linking Mega/Pixeldrain/Patreon that have even a small chance to get nuked, when the author doesn’t mind having a backup
I think I (unintentionally) intentionally made the poll a bit confusing because the target option in the polls is “make in a guideline”, so results are a bit skewed to “make it a rule” side
You might want to consider something like LanguageTool for enhancing your writing if you lack confidence. They have a browser add-on for most popular browsers:
An LLM is not the correct tool for enhancing your communications with people; the abundance of hallucinations will often cause factual inconsistencies making it quite counter productive to what you’re using it for.
The counter to me isnt required, the location must be. Regardless whether its hidden in text and has a counter, its still anoying to find the link that way. I would say a clear list of scripts is what should be demanded
Also, if the same file gets referenced twice (once in list, once in text, both without counter), its still fine as well.
This 30% is meaningless. 30% of a 5min video is 90s of content. Thats usualy barely even enough for loopable animated content. And sure, it might be able to stand on its own for those 90s. But in this case i consider it a problem for another reason:
- I think a 5min paid script either is going to be relatively cheap anyway. In such degree that a known scripter doesnt need a promo anymore.
- 5mins of content for a paid script to me is a very low duration. I would at least expect 15min+ videos on that. In just 5mins you can barely make a good buildup, so on that i would already doubt the scripts in the first place.
- Avoiding the promoting of short videos avoids people trying to only make short scripts to spam as many as possible and bait purchases that way.
So on that, i rather would focus on a requirement of at least 5mins. Even if the paid script is then 60mins, if the 5min can stand on its own, its to me deemed worthy enough. And that its not 30%… so be it.
With this time rule, you could say that the free version must be at most 30% instead with that 5min, so the paid version has to be 16mins as a minimum in order to be able to promote it. I think this would work better.