This is why I prefer having discussions with people in-person rather than just through text. I honestly couldn’t tell if you were angry or felt like my argument was stupid. I was getting condescending vibes for sure.
Ah shoot, I’m sorry if I came off that way. This is a debate I feel quite passionate about, and I put up all my defenses because I have had multiple people in my past try to assert that consuming this sort of content makes me no better than a child predator, which thankfully we both agree is simply not true.
I believe that you’re a good person and not a child predator. I’ll be honest though, I do still think it’s a bit sketchy to enjoy it. I don’t mean this in a rude way, but I don’t understand why people would enjoy it if they’re not into children. Drawing characters that look like children and just saying that they’re actually adults seems like a loophole to seeing child porn without it actually being illegal. If it was just because you prefer flat chested and smaller woman, wouldn’t it just be titled something related to that? Perhaps you could explain it to me?
The word pedophile is synonymous with child sexual predator in lots of people’s minds. Therefore it’s understandable that non offending pedophiles would do everything they can to distance themselves from the word.
One definition of pedophilia is “a sexual attraction to prepubescent children” I think it’s clear to everyone that to enjoy loli porn one must be a pedophile. The term loli itself is a reference to the book Lolita which is about a sexual relationship between a child and an adult. No amount of semantics will change these facts.
That said I don’t believe pedophiles choose to be pedophiles and if they’re not harming actual children there’s not much to be done about them. Better they congregate out in the open than on a sketchy site on the darknet where abuse of actual children is encouraged.
Until my post got linked in the recent threads discussing it I’ve managed to remain blissfully unaware of the child porn on this website by muting all the related tags and not searching for anything hentai/furry related (not my thing anyway).
And this is where the actual application of pedophilia to lolicon art becomes muddled. See, if we go by that definition, should this still apply to fictional characters whose stated age in origin is that of legal age, though possessing of a child-like body? Conversely, outside of the lolicon genre, if the fictional character possesses the body of an adult but is stated to be underage, does this definition of pedophilia still apply?
These questions continue to be debated even within law circles, and I don’t think it’s going to be settled quite soon, honestly.
Edit: I dislike the lolicon genre myself, but as an avid consumer of anime and hentai culture where lolicon genre is prevalent, I just felt I had to offer my own thinking into this.
Yes. Unequivocally. The prepubescent distinction is not about age or mental capacity but about their state of physical development.
This is murkier but my gut feeling is that the term pedophile still applies although I don’t think the above definition still applies. It would however still unequivocally be abuse/rape.
I think there is also a case of “you know it when you see it” (as is used in UK law I believe) where any non pedophile would immediately feel a sense of disgust and wrongness upon seeing child pornography (real or animated). You can argue semantics and definitions until the sun goes down but the vast majority of the general population will always have a visceral negative reaction to the idea of people “possessing a childlike body” engaging in sexual acts
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Didn’t know black lists were a thing. How can I create one?
It’s not exauhstive by any means but click your profile icon them go to preferences then tags. You’ll have the option to mute tags. This will hide them when browsing by new.
You can also exclude tags when searching.
What I see, me, in the law is the word “child”.
Child, a living being made of blood, bones and pulpit.
Lolicon or shotacon is fictitious character, they do not have a pulpit, bone or blood.
You have to stop mixing fiction and reality.
Tbh arguing based on laws is pointless as eroscripts is an international community and there are countries with laws supporting both sides.
Watching loli porn doesn’t make you a child abuser, because it’s fictitious. It does however make you a pedophile, because it is a fictitious child.
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I say nothing, our way of thinking is totally different.
One of my issues with your assertion that all consumers of lolicon are pedophiles is that petite adults with flat chests exist. Some people just don’t really develop breasts, others elect to have them removed by choice or otherwise. But I GUARANTEE if you drew an anime or cartoon-style rendition of a real person, who is a petite flat-chested adult, it would be considered loli by the vast majority of people. That’s why including cartoon characters that “appear childlike” in a definition of child pornography is legitimately unfair to people who have tastes that have literally nothing to do with real children, and simply have to do with adults that have different body types that just so happen to share traits associated with children.
I don’t think fictitious children and real children should really be put into the same category. I enjoy loli art, but only the stuff that is so stylized and cartoony that it could never be mistaken for a real human. I feel absolutely no attraction whatsoever to real children; even the drawn stuff that’s more realistic and less toony is a turn off for me.
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Flat chested women still don’t look like children. Bone structure changes during puberty.
I somewhat disagree and had a paragraph written out to explain why I disagree but ultimately I don’t think it actually matters. At the end of the day petite, flat chested adult women are still easily identifiable as adults even if they may look younger if just seen in passing. If you draw a piece of art of a petite, flat chested adult woman that just so happens to be indistinguishable from a child then I’m going to give you some side eye.
Why then do these people that simply like adults that just so happen to share traits associated with children then further that association by calling the art of these “adults” Lolicon? The root word Loli being a refrence to a book about a grown man having a sexual relationship with a child?
They’re not, I wouldn’t call for violence against people making and distributing loli porn. I just advocate for it to be kept the fuck away from me.
I am 100% in support of violence against child abusers and those that create a market for irl child abuse imagery.
That doesn’t mean I won’t call a spade a spade. If you get off to kids or adults that are indistinguishable from kids I think you’re a pedophile. I will again repeat that I know there is a distinction between pedophiles and child abusers and that I don’t think anyone wakes up one day and decides to be attracted to children (real or imaginary).
If that’s true then good for you and good for the world. However I also think that if it’s not true you have every reason to lie about it due to the aforementioned stigma against pedophiles. Surely you can see why I doubt the truthfulness of your statement.
I don’t like this because I occasionally watch loli stuff and never considered myself a pedophile, but I’ll accept it, at least (for whatever reason) I have never once been attracted to an actual living child, so thats good
I do not watch hentai really at all nor do I care what people watch as long as it is not hurting anyone directly/indirectly.
People can be attracted to smaller builds, like loli, and still NOT be a pedophile. Ill tell you why…
ROLEPLAY…
All you MF’ers who have a GF/wife, I guarantee have said some nasty shit or been called something nasty in the sack but it does not make you a bad person because it is made up fantasy.
If Loli makes you a pedo then you are everything you say or are called during your roleplay fantasy. Be consistent.
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Everything I said above is just my opinion, I just think it’s an opinion that is probably shared by most people in the society I live in.
Great 
As I said above I don’t wish harm upon people that make/watch loli as no children are harmed by it, it just gives me the worst vibes and puts my guard up.
I’ve accepted eroscripts’ stance on the matter and only joined in because I kept getting notifications every time my thread from last year was linked. I’ve muted it and stopped clicking on posts directly from the front page so it hasn’t bothered me recently.
My definition of pedophilia simply requires an attraction to children/explicitly child like builds, even if that remains a fantasy and is never acted upon towards a real child.
I don’t actually think being a pedophile automatically makes one a bad person. I think being a child abuser makes one a bad person. I think pedophiles are incredibly unlucky as I doubt many of them want to be attracted to children. Being a pedophile is a prerequisite to sexually abusing children, I’m more suspicious of pedophiles than the average person because protecting children is more important than being fair to adults with unfortunate sexualities.
I don’t know about everyone else but my gf and I fantasize about and roleplay things that on some level we’d like to do for real. Again I’m not saying ones desires make them a bad person, simply that they give one much more reason to take actions that would make them a bad person.
stopped of give it arguments (good or bad), he will always have an answer to give.
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