Soooo…I can have unlimited access to HapticConnect if I:
Buy one script for $5
Or
Maintain a premium Sub for ~$40
Option 1: You’re selling indefinite access to the app for a $5 script purchase.
Option 2: Time-limited rights to unlimited access to the app for ~$40.
Also, you’re unwilling to sell the player as a one-time fee?
But I can pay $5 to buy a script to have access to the app you’re not willing to sell as a standalone product which other people asked for?
What’s the difference?
But if I ever cancel my ~$40-50 sub which is 5-10x more expensive than one script, I lose access to HapticConnect? But I could have just bought a single script for $5 for indefinite access?
It’s more sustainable to allow people to have unlimited HapticConnect with a single $5 purchase than to allow people that are willing to sub for ~$40-50 every few months on and off?
I don’t think you’ve really smoothed out all the ripples in your business plan…
I just wanted to put down the numbers. I’m really done now.
Why is there a difference in HapticsConnect access for different paying customers? I had thought that you only wanted to make sure a customer has spent money, so I’m confused. If it’s due to an expired subscription, then could you mark accounts as ex-premium and allow premium/ex-premium/pay-per-X customers to have access?
Personally, I think it would be beneficial for the idea and message to be polished more, and then rolled out in a comprehensive way. That could include UI changes to make the process clear in regard to what actions will unlock the feature for a user.
I’m no representative for SLR but I can think of a plausible explanation for the scenario you mentioned.
Yes it makes sense for them to give you limitless access to the Haptics app if you pay just 5 bucks for a script, because in this case they’re selling you the script itself, while in case of the subs, you’re paying for a service and not the script (which is why for the duration of the sub you’re not limited to the number of scripts you can play, FUP enforced)
Not liking the DLNA removal, but if it’s as @doublevr has mentioned in one of the other threads a technical issue which has received a lot of flak from the users, it does actually hinder development (speaking from exp. as a dev)
All I can say is, for anyone who is working on an alternative, SLR team should help out with integration for both scripting and DLNA to the extent they can, as without this community (even though some might be freeloaders) funscripts would just be scripts.
Except there’s a disconnect. Premium doesn’t come with scripts. Premium still requires you pay for scripts. If you want scripts you have to pay for premium+scripts. I’ve already paid a premium+scripts to be able to use and as to their own terms, download scripts. And according to their terms, I downloaded those scripts. That’s part of the premium I had to pay to be able to get access to them in addition to the subs.
So…the cost of downloading those three scripts a month is already, or should already, be included in the increased fee. And in a sense, by allowing downloads (and encouraging it according to their terms) I am paying for those scripts. Or else they wouldn’t have allowed downloads and just allowed them via streaming.
Agreed, this is a gray area and I see what you mean when you say there’s a disconnect. In case of gray areas I think for SLR it’d be better to think of the longer term. In any case, I think you should reach out to them, they should be willing to help and let us know as well how it goes.
Eh, they lost a customer. I already deleted the app and will never be purchasing something from them again.
I don’t want to do business with a person that heads a company and calls me a low life for being upset for being locked out of content they allowed me to have due to greed.
I love the content from this community and I already found a workaround thanks to this great community.
We wanted to do the whole thing as simple and as straightforward as possible. We are really short on staff. Like really missing more people to join our team in every thinkable part of what we do.
Pay per script was a legacy and we were supposed to support it.
Premium is the minimum condition which is our main product.
I don’t think having ex-Premium users is a good idea.
Anyway things are moving fast here. We can’t afford doing long procedures. Also not a single Premium user was affected. So far new policies work great and we are planning a lot of cool technical stuff to release.
All the noise is coming from people that don’t have Premium, nor have any plans to get one. Why should we care about those?
For the last time, I WAS a customer. And I WAS going to be again.
If you want to know the whole story, I have pancreatic cancer. My sex drive is pretty much shot. When I do feel well enough for sexual activity, my wife isn’t always up for it, as is her right as a a living human being. So she got me a handy to use when she wasn’t in the mood and I was.
I’m not going to keep an active $40 a month sub to a website when I’m not going to be using it every day. My subscription expired. I used that sub for two months to get six scripts that I was given included in the sub, and I used the SLR player because, hey, that’s where I got the scripts and the video for.
My chemo is near finishing and I had actually been considering resubbing to see the new content for when I was feeling better. But now? Yeah, no thank you. I don’t want to give a business headed by such a smug “visionary” who called me a “low life” for not maintaining a sub to a service I wasn’t actively using at the time but still had the content I rightfully downloaded during my sub.
Instead of interacting with people as a decent human being, you just assume everyone is stealing from your company or just trying to be a free loader.
Now I’m ignoring you and not going to read anything else from you and will never use anything from your company ever again.
Just wanted to highlight that we can go through everything if brought in a respected way.
We can not not to support pay per script as this is what we have started with. What’s more important is that pay per script is one set of rules, Premium another.
I can’t get how that liqsliduex guy doesn’t get it.
I’m really sorry to hear your story. By no intend I wanted to make fun of you or anything. It’s just reciprocating what you say. And sorry for all the sharp statements, didn’t mean to insult you personally.
I have suggested multiple times to contact our support for superlow Premium. As low as you reasonably would come up with giving you unlimited access to everything. Otherwise $0.99 one time script purchase would fully unlock you HC.
Just stop bringing those outrageous arguments and we are cool. We have got ourselves into a drama no one wanted.
I sincerely wish you a great treatment and recovery. No disease stands a man that is truly fighting for himself
so all i have to do is purchase 1 script to be able to use the HapticsConnect? wish i knew this earlier. is it stated on the app itself or am I just blind lol. I’ve always used SLR to test VR scripts before making them publicly available but after seeing that Haptics were locked behind premium I figured I’d have to find another way to test my scripts.
First, you did make fun of me. You called me a low life in the other thread.
Second, please, please, please tell me what I said that’s outrageous? You’re premium+script subscription has a higher rate and included script streaming and three DOWNLOADED scripts. I downloaded my allotment of scripts. The cost of those scripts is included in the increased subscription fee. Unlimited streaming scripts PLUS 3 script downloads are the benefits of the increase in subscription.
It’s outrageous for me to think that I’ll be able to use the scripts that were included in my subscription fee with the software that you provided for them?
I didn’t steal the scripts from your website. As I said, if you never intended the scripts to be used outside of direct purchase or an active sub, why allow three downloads a month? Why do you not put in the terms that the scripts will only be able to be used with the app with an active sub? That information is nowhere when signing up for a sub.
i usually only do VR vids when their requested by other users so I never really had a reason to get setup with the Creator Program. i think i may start looking into it now tho thanks for the advice
I’m kind of confused as to what the new policy is. I am a slr premium subscriber and I do not subscribe to the scripts premium. However, I have and still do purchase many of the scripts from SLR individually (they show up as a green interactive icon in the app) and I can stream them or download them to play locally in my quest. SO my question is do I now need to maintain my SLR premium video subscription to access the local player to play downloaded videos and interactive scripts, purchased individually, with my quest2 directly connected to The Handy. Or would I have to play them now through this haptics app.
I guess my question is if this only for those that bought the unlimited streaming script subscription or for individually purchased script ex subscribers as well.
I use windows reality mixed + Reverb G2 + Handy. I have installed old DeoVR program on PC.
I start the mixed reality portal, in the VR room I open the desktop and run the DeoVR program (with Steam turned off). DeoVR has the Handy option enabled, checked and working.“The bad thing” is that to use the application I have to do it with the xbox 360 joystick, with the Reverb G2 joystick I haven’t been able to but the interactions with the program are the same.
Are you talking about needing to use the X360 controller to keep the script in sync with the video while you’re skipping around in the program? When I was using HandyControl 1.2.3 I would have to use the x360 controller to skip around videos and not just click a spot on the timeline to get to that section. It was kind of frustrating.
Another workaround you might want to try is using either ScriptPlayer (which now has built-in handy Support) or Multifunplayer + buttplug.io. MFP and Buttplug had a little more involved setup, though.
With ScriptPlayer, you can put in your Handy key, point it to your old DeoVR installation, and you should be able to to use your joystick again if you’re having the same problem I had.
MFP and buttplug.io is slightly more difficult to set up, but allows more options and connections.
Both options add another program in the mix, but it restores the functionality I prefer.
