New Ownership

New Ownership

Some or most of you likely predicted this but as of yesterday the ownership of the forum was finished transferring to me. The domains / cloud assets / money now goes to me.

What is changing

Finances

Just the route the money goes and I am now managing things. As before the forum is not going to be for profit, though I likely am going to try and add more monetisation to improve the forum. These monetisation options would come with benefits, though for now nothing is planned.

Data ownership

I am getting close to being ready to migrate the forum to a better host and improve a number of things. One thing that is going to change post migration is you the users will have better data ownership capabilities.
I wrote my own plugin for discourse allowing users to delete their own topics and accounts:

I am baffled this doesn’t exist and isn’t the default behavior of discourse.

Background infrastructure

This has been talked about before but I will be changing the Host OS to NixOS for reproducability. This will increase the resilience of the forum, as when it goes down, I can rapidly re-deploy the entire forum essentially anywhere.
I’m likely to migrate the storage to a new provider that integrates directly with the CDN, which should decrease loadtimes
I may change the SMTP Relay for email as well but we will see

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Should I congratulate you or sympathize? :wink:

In fact, everything that is done is done for the best. Your work has already grown to the point where it is one of the flagships of the industry, if not a trendsetter. Almost all scriptwriters or studios with interactive videos are connected with this forum in one way or another. Good luck in your hard work and always count on the help of the community.

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I, for one, welcome our new overlord.

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The username VladTheImplier always gives me a chuckle. Thanks for your hard work and funny username

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…speaking as an aspirant to the purity of the Blessed Machine, this can only be a win…

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Congrats on the new ownership!

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Our forum is in very good hands :partying_face:

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Huh, Nix really does improve every part of life… I think I’ll have to refrain from sharing this use with my colleagues, though.

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Great news. Good luck!

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I got i from an old 4chan meme.

As long as you’re diligent to preserve your purity and reproducibility, while remaining as stateless as possible, nix is a powerful technology that is woefully underutilized.

New owner, new rules, right? What do you think of the loli scripts? Are they allowed again?

Congratulation and good luck! Forum is in good hands!
congratulations-evangelion

Good luck @VladTheImplier!

Apparently that rule was superceded a while ago, though you wouldn’t know it unless you opened the discussion topic and read for a bit.

The tag is allowed, and the rule against pre-pubescence is enforced via moderation. At least, that’s how I understand it as of this point. Since essentially none of the loli scripts ran afoul of that rule, it seems nothing has actually changed.

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Regarding finances, I still think my notion about requiring supporter status for posting paid scripts was a good one. I don’t agree at all with some of the counter-proposals about pushing for support from normal users, as that’s a fast way to kill a site completely.

It’s the people who make money from something who should finance said something. That’s the way the world works. Script consumers would then finance the site indirectly through paid script creators.

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fwiw (likely nothing), i am against users being able to delete their posts/accounts except on a case-by-case basis for reasons of privacy or wanting to be forgotten or something. and in such a case, it is better to change the username and attempt to sanitize/anonymize.

i feel strongly that the point of this community is to share scripts (and knowledge in general), and, for example, losing one’s temper after getting into an argument and then deleting all of one’s scripts and other contributions is generally unacceptable.

allowing bulk removal of contributions empowers the user but, on balance, risks making the community worse off.

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While I respect your opinion I fundamentally disagree.

The data any person contributes is useful and valuable. If someone has a strong moral disagreement with something I or the forum does in general they have a moral right right to protest and should be allowed to pull their contributions.

As well, if someone is a scripter, they own the data and licensing of the scripts. By not allowing a user to pull their data, I violate their licensing.

And finally GDPR/UK-GDPR/PIPEDA/APP/LGPD/and all the other GDPR-compliant laws around the world, most enforce that users have a right to obtain a copy of their data and request it’s deletion. Anonymization is not enough anyway.

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I don’t really know about the really fine details (and there are lots of laws), so I may be wrong, but aren’t those laws about personal data only?

It’s fine to want users to be able to delete their own posts, but I don’t think using those laws as reasoning for it would be correct… unless funscripts can be considered personal data, which would be kinda weird. Maybe because of the metadata?

About that, it would be nice if the forum had an explicit default licensing or rules for permissions that apply to all free scripts, even if only while the script “exists on the forum” (the creator hasn’t deleted it). An example: if someone downloads a free script, modifies it and posts it in a reply in the same topic for purposes of fixing/adding/showing something in good faith, that technically could land someone in trouble if all rights really are reserved for the creator, since no one would have permission to share or modify the original script without explicity approval.
It could be something saying that by default all rights really are reserved to the creator, or that by default there’s a few permissions about sharing and/or modifying. Either way, it would be nice to have it written somewhere instead of relying on default defaults, since defaults are different everywhere and may cause confusion.

Of course, paid scripts aren’t allowed to be shared for obvious reasons, but that’s already in the rules and I believe it is also the common sense of the forum.

The thing is, the topics and posts themselves don’t automatically get involved with these Privacy laws, until there is PII (Personally Identifiable Information) Inside them. In most circumstances anonymization is enough. But Although I am not a lawyer, part of my work gives me full access to freely speak with lawyers particularly in 2 respects. Cybersecurity and Copyright Law. So for those 2 topics, I can confidently speak for not all countries but generally how these laws work in most cases.

As soon as a post contains a link to another place, if that place is another platform owned by someone else, then that can be considered PII, because even after anonymization someone can follow that link and find who originally created that post.

We basically already do on the permissions front, but not the licensing, we can, though that won’t really matter in the end, I’ll explain.

In case you don’t care

TL;DR: Most places by default already award you the copyright and licensing rights to protect your creations as is. Regardless where you go, and regardless your agreements to others. but you should still read your local copyright laws as they can differ in the details.

Disclaimer, everything I’m about to say could be wrong, but I speak with lawyers about this often and I know enough that the general gist of what im saying is true.

Protecting Copyrights

Copyright law is not what most people think it is. Most people think that all the countries in agreeance on what copyright is and how it’s used follow the DMCA. This is not how copyright works.

From a legal perspective copyright does not exist until it is made to exist. This is done by either your local countries laws or by your person defining the licensing and how you execute that licensing to any given country.

For ex. If I create a movie and I live in a country where we have no copyright laws. I cannot legally protect my creation from piracy inside my country, but if I sell it in the US, then all US citizens must abide by my licensing and the DMCA.

If I make a movie in the US, and sell it abroad, whether I can protect my movie from piracy entirely depends on that local countries laws and whether they will extradite someone or practice the DMCA. This is why you can find online hosts that will ignore DMCA notices. It’s important to know this USUALLY means they will also ignore other copyright notices such as the EUCD (European Union - Copyright Directive), Bill C-11 (Canada - Copyright Act), Australia - Copyright Act 1968, UK CDAP, etc. but they might NOT ignore these notices.

A lot of countries abide by opensource licensing like the various copyleft style agreements and EULA, and other licensing agreements you’ve probably seen in your lifetime. It is also important to know the difference between a license and a copyright.

Copyright vs License

A copyright is any idea that is defined that you own.
A license is access thereof to that idea by which you might not own.
(Ideas being creations of your mental faculties, books, music, movies, etc.)

How most places handle Copyright and Licensing

In most jurisdictions once a person has made a creation, they by default have an unequivical ownship of that creations copyright. By default there is no license involved and it needs to be made. However a property of a license is it can be revoked essentially at will because it was not made to begin with. Once a license has been made, it can be changed, but the members to which have that license need to agree to the new terms.

Again this is not always the case, but is in most jurisdictions where copyright and licensing exist

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