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While I respect your opinion I fundamentally disagree.

The data any person contributes is useful and valuable. If someone has a strong moral disagreement with something I or the forum does in general they have a moral right right to protest and should be allowed to pull their contributions.

As well, if someone is a scripter, they own the data and licensing of the scripts. By not allowing a user to pull their data, I violate their licensing.

And finally GDPR/UK-GDPR/PIPEDA/APP/LGPD/and all the other GDPR-compliant laws around the world, most enforce that users have a right to obtain a copy of their data and request it’s deletion. Anonymization is not enough anyway.

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I don’t really know about the really fine details (and there are lots of laws), so I may be wrong, but aren’t those laws about personal data only?

It’s fine to want users to be able to delete their own posts, but I don’t think using those laws as reasoning for it would be correct… unless funscripts can be considered personal data, which would be kinda weird. Maybe because of the metadata?

About that, it would be nice if the forum had an explicit default licensing or rules for permissions that apply to all free scripts, even if only while the script “exists on the forum” (the creator hasn’t deleted it). An example: if someone downloads a free script, modifies it and posts it in a reply in the same topic for purposes of fixing/adding/showing something in good faith, that technically could land someone in trouble if all rights really are reserved for the creator, since no one would have permission to share or modify the original script without explicity approval.
It could be something saying that by default all rights really are reserved to the creator, or that by default there’s a few permissions about sharing and/or modifying. Either way, it would be nice to have it written somewhere instead of relying on default defaults, since defaults are different everywhere and may cause confusion.

Of course, paid scripts aren’t allowed to be shared for obvious reasons, but that’s already in the rules and I believe it is also the common sense of the forum.

The thing is, the topics and posts themselves don’t automatically get involved with these Privacy laws, until there is PII (Personally Identifiable Information) Inside them. In most circumstances anonymization is enough. But Although I am not a lawyer, part of my work gives me full access to freely speak with lawyers particularly in 2 respects. Cybersecurity and Copyright Law. So for those 2 topics, I can confidently speak for not all countries but generally how these laws work in most cases.

As soon as a post contains a link to another place, if that place is another platform owned by someone else, then that can be considered PII, because even after anonymization someone can follow that link and find who originally created that post.

We basically already do on the permissions front, but not the licensing, we can, though that won’t really matter in the end, I’ll explain.

In case you don’t care

TL;DR: Most places by default already award you the copyright and licensing rights to protect your creations as is. Regardless where you go, and regardless your agreements to others. but you should still read your local copyright laws as they can differ in the details.

Disclaimer, everything I’m about to say could be wrong, but I speak with lawyers about this often and I know enough that the general gist of what im saying is true.

Protecting Copyrights

Copyright law is not what most people think it is. Most people think that all the countries in agreeance on what copyright is and how it’s used follow the DMCA. This is not how copyright works.

From a legal perspective copyright does not exist until it is made to exist. This is done by either your local countries laws or by your person defining the licensing and how you execute that licensing to any given country.

For ex. If I create a movie and I live in a country where we have no copyright laws. I cannot legally protect my creation from piracy inside my country, but if I sell it in the US, then all US citizens must abide by my licensing and the DMCA.

If I make a movie in the US, and sell it abroad, whether I can protect my movie from piracy entirely depends on that local countries laws and whether they will extradite someone or practice the DMCA. This is why you can find online hosts that will ignore DMCA notices. It’s important to know this USUALLY means they will also ignore other copyright notices such as the EUCD (European Union - Copyright Directive), Bill C-11 (Canada - Copyright Act), Australia - Copyright Act 1968, UK CDAP, etc. but they might NOT ignore these notices.

A lot of countries abide by opensource licensing like the various copyleft style agreements and EULA, and other licensing agreements you’ve probably seen in your lifetime. It is also important to know the difference between a license and a copyright.

Copyright vs License

A copyright is any idea that is defined that you own.
A license is access thereof to that idea by which you might not own.
(Ideas being creations of your mental faculties, books, music, movies, etc.)

How most places handle Copyright and Licensing

In most jurisdictions once a person has made a creation, they by default have an unequivical ownship of that creations copyright. By default there is no license involved and it needs to be made. However a property of a license is it can be revoked essentially at will because it was not made to begin with. Once a license has been made, it can be changed, but the members to which have that license need to agree to the new terms.

Again this is not always the case, but is in most jurisdictions where copyright and licensing exist

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Thank you for taking your time to reply, that clarified a lot of things. As with a lot of things in life, it seems more complicated than what can be seen at a glance…

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Thank you for all the hard work. I fully support your infra. plans and ethics on user data.

it kinda sounds like this is your strongly held, well-considered personal conviction, and it’s your forum, so that’s the end of my appeal :slight_smile:

but just as a hypothetical:

  • nonprofit (very fitting for a community championing the user)
  • US-hosted, no EU business nexus (impossible anyways as nonprofit)
  • ToS granting the forum perpetual license to original content posted by the user
  • ToS granting fair use to all users associated with on-site discussion and common forum activities (quoting, modification)

do you believe this may give a solid foundation to permanently-retain-by-default a user’s contributions? just wondering since online community governance is an interest of mine.

Anyone have a quick tutorial of how to use use/run the plugin that will allow us to delete posts?

You cant at the moment.
I have to install it on the server and I’m doing that post migration.
Once its done I will let everyone know.

Note that it might sound simple. But its a far more complex task to do. Its not just renaming someone. Its making an unidentifyable account for every thread that was made. Removing any external link, and uploaded file as these can still contain personal info.

And especialy that last part is why its not worth it. If you have to remove funscripts (note, you dont, they by default dont contain personal info), you essentialy have no reason to preserve the content anyway.

And note, keeping such content wont be nice either. You would get something like:

  • threadname: deleted 124
  • pornhub link (no text containing a title, just a raw link)
  • funscripts named something like:
    • 124.funscript
    • 124.roll.funscript
    • 124.pitch.funscript
      -124(1).funscript

I dont think that such content would be worth to keep in a full thread. At best a lookup library for older content could help. And that does assume funscripts do not contain any personal data (tbh, if they do, it was a very deliberate act, and something that i would not worry about as the GDPR in this case is graceful enough that these have to just act upon specific takedown requests).
Or otherwise it would need a moderator to fix those threads every single time, a huge hassle.

And that vlad had to make the plugin is just another reason to rant at discourse. Its a feature they should have made years ago already. But being USA based are just too ignorant to do.
(good job there vlad)

And this is exactly what I replied to explain.

would you reconsider the 90day topic autoclose? i don’t really see a benefit.

for example:

this topic concerns build tips for OFS on macOS. it’s better to have all of that consolidated instead of starting a new topic.

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I am open to any and all possibilities. If it makes sense to enough people and the mod team agrees potentially anything can change. It just has to reach my radar. The site feedback category is a great way to do that. I’ve been watching it.

Could it be tied to the member level? Level 1 could be restricted, while level 2 does allow it. It still can avoid the newest accounts from abusing this. And yes, there are cases where it will be anoying, but level 2 is already very easy to achieve that this requirement should be fine.

Autoclosing does prevent people commenting if for example the source went down.

Really ? :face_in_clouds: :melting_face:
(/me watching proposal from weeks with still no answer)

Just because I didnt reply doesnt mean I didnt see it.

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Oki, I understand.

off topic

But I asked multiple times a feature since months, on multiples topics, even in general chat, but no answer at all from a moderator or admin (maybe just a « okay we’ll discuss this »).
Trying to made the Script Indexes best as possible, taking my time to to them, spending money to to subscribe to Patreons to have accurate informations possible. But for just a simple request to give some more visibility to them, it is, from my point of view, and sorry to say, I have just the feeling the request is simply ignored.

Congratulations on attaining owernship! :tada: :partying_face: :tada:

I bet there will be a ton of things you have to do! Even if you just got ownership, right? No clue, about any of that carduffle, though. :face_with_spiral_eyes: Nor, do I offer any real help. :grinning:

What I can do is, wish for flawless and smooth migration! Looking forward to any improvement you can provide, after said migration! I very much like the lengthy and detailed explanations you give!

I’ve only just noticed, scrolling down here, that your name actually doesn’t have “Impaler” in it. :rofl: FML, usually do ‘puny’ stuff like this myself! I’ve always subconciously thought that your Profile-Pic was a bit, unfitting.

Now I feel dumb. :slightly_smiling_face: Time to script something.

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Im sorry if things go unreplied a lot, I’ll try to make that better. Right now my focus is bettering the infrastructure so the forum doesnt have slowdowns.

The good news is im quite close to being ready to do the migration. I just need some more testing of things.

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Any upcoming announcements on the loli/shota ban?

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As I said previously. Once the forum is migrated.

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