yes, but the only reason is because he doesn’t want to pay for those scripts, so it is about money
I dont see it that way, hes in my point of view willing to put in work to either trade for scripts or have some other function implemented for being able to communicate with certain scripters to get to the endgoal. Be it helping with scripting, updating software or upscaling content etc.
you also say :
however this is then followed by :
Its abit contradicting.
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Explain to me how a community dies when you prevent people who don’t contribute monetarily or through their labor from their products. IMO you’re not even a part of a community until you participate in some meaningful way; And no complaining on the forums about your access to other peoples labor is not meaningful.
Precisely. This thread exists to get away from the money and more towards the community…by mutually sharing our scripts and giving people an option to go a non-monetary route; And attempting to include those who do not make money off their scripts access to my scripts as well.
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Alright, you guys are getting off from MY original point. I’m not trying to derail the thread, so let me just clarify some of my points. And again, from the perspective of a doujin translater, you don’t have to listen to me, no one does, but this is an open topic so I’m gonna put in my 2 cents.
I think that having paid scripts is dumb in the first place, and is the cause of this topic. You want those paid scripts for free because you think you deserve them based on uploading your own scripts. This is a stupid idea, what would stop me from pumping out a ton of garbage quality scripts and flooding the site to also get that benefit? A different motivator to encourage people to make scripts would be a good thing, but this aint it.
I personally don’t think any money should be involved at all, but if it has to be, commissions work better. If all scripts are freely available, there’s no chance of black market script sharing discords, and you don’t get all pissy because you have to pay for other people work.
This is me carrying over the same mindset from scanlating, redrawing, translating and typesetting doujins for free. I don’t put up translations for money, or only to share them with other worthy translators, I do it because I want those things translated for myself, and putting them up doesn’t cost me anything. But again it’s not really an issue there, because no one is directly paying per doujin.
No, I haven’t uploaded any scripts here, and you can continue to use that to conveniently ignore what I’m actually saying, but fact is that once you start to ignore the wider community, a new one will pop up to replace this one. If I upload a script tomorrow does my opinion magically matter now? What about 5 scripts? 50? Whats the threshold to be allowed an opinion in your eyes?
The crux of this topic is that you want free shit, and this might just be the most convoluted way to try and achieve that.
imagine if you put this much effort into a script 
i think its a great idea.
not sure you’re reading Gooner’s post correctly. trading paid for paid isnt “wanting free shit”. wanting free shit is saying “paid scripts are dumb, i want free shit” which we all do. but at the same time, if i put in literal days of work on a 45min-1hr script, sometimes i want something back from it. i have a few scripts that are longer than 30 min i put up for free, but in the case of my paid scripts, sometimes i could use a little extra money for my work.
translation/scanlations take a long time, i can agree to that. arguably, translation is a harder job but in a different way, different skillset. but we have the same mindset for most of it, i want to script something because i want to see it scripted, just like you want to see something translated. once i finish, i can choose to share for free, or i can choose to charge for it. you also have this choice for translations. (which honestly, you should be doing if its more involved work)
you also have the choice to not be a part of this other community. millions of communities on the internet.
pick one. or more than one. or none at all.
ultimately, no one cares. a drop of water in the ocean that is the internet.
Y_D 
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Ultimately its up to the scripter to choose how they want to distribute their scripts and If that’s how you wanna distribute your scripts that’s fine. But I really doubt people want to come home from their long hour work shift and script for a script. I would rather just buy it with the money I already have than scripting away hours of my free time…
Another idea would be to create an optional pool of donated community scripts with various ways to access scripts within, such as trading in scripts which get added to the pool but in return the scripter gets tokens he could use to buy other scripts from the community script pool and alternatively you can use real money to buy scripts and the money goes towards paying for the site.
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Another point also to be considered is that even though someone would have the time to script doesn’t mean he will be good at it. So what criteria determine if a script is good or average or bad. Who would be the judge of that final decision? I think the OP has a good overall starting idea but I also think it would be an admin nightmare to manage. Personally I think the way thinks works right now is roughly “OK”. The only thing I don’t agree with is someone creating a brand new account and being able to download thousands of ‘free scripts’ without any return to the community. But they are flagged as ‘free scripts’ so… why wouldn’t they… Very hard debate you started here @GoonerScriptz
While I do not have a strong opinion on how to decide whether someone is a member of the community (especially since requirements/incentives can often cause unexpected or undesired behavior), In principle there may be room for a space somewhere between “free script with no strings attached” and “script in exchange for currency”.
In a world where there is a space between “free” and “paid” (perhaps “barter”?) creators would be offering up their scripts/videos/etc and would have to define what they will accept in exchange for their script. This could become cumbersome for people sharing (and indeed is why pay-per-script or commission is a little less frictionless, as the negotiating is done by setting the price).
What the value of non-currency contributions means to a particular creator is also difficult to define (whether someone who is scripting a video, upscaling/enhancing a video, creating a PMV, writing software to make scripting or upscaling easier…) and I imagine more difficult to standardize.
The member sharing their labor would be the one to decide what other community contributions they would accept in exchange for theirs, and only they should be troubled with administering this. Arguments about whether someone has contributed “enough” (and on what timelines? do contributions need to be continuous, or is having just one “approved” contribution sufficient to be a member of the “community”?) will be common if there is now a third party deciding who is “in” or “out”.
Ultimately I feel like (but do not have enough data to know) that this community roughly follows the 90/9/1 ratio for lurkers/contributors/powerusers, at least based on the previous conversations about the ratios of clicks/likes/comments.
So if an enclave is constructed for the 10% who do more than lurk (and nothing against lurking as that is how I “participate” in most communities when cannot add to the conversation), would it have more participation or less? (I think it might actually be less than the broader free/paid sections, until a network effect causes a lot of activity to move there instead of the “free” section).
All that said, perhaps one happy medium might be to offer a script as paid, and then have some qualifications by which you offer to share the script in exchange for non-currency activity (reviews? upscales? additional scripted axes?), perhaps with a tag indicating that the paid-script could be bartered for or earned by contributing to the community somehow…
This topic really hits on a ton of unformed thoughts I had bouncing around in my head. Mostly about how much has changed over the past ~3 years that I’ve been a part of the ES community. For me, the discussion points that are most relevant are:
- Quality/Trust - Is the script I’m paying for of good quality? Is it accurate and scripted with care?
- Community Interaction - Are the members of the community aligned to similar objectives and can coexist respectfully and symbiotically?
- Effort/Reward - Is the amount of effort I’m putting in being returned in what I’m getting back?
When I joined ES, it was a very different community. The main changes I’ve seen is the commercialization of scripting, growth of non-engagers, increase in sheer amount of bad quality scripts, and an increase of vocal “takers” (members that ask/demand things without contributing back). These changes have negatively and directly acted against the 3 points I mentioned above. I’ll try and briefly complain/articulate how:
- Quality/Trust - RealSync + Scriptpoolers were pretty much the only game in town when it came to pay scripts. And from what I understand, had extremely high standards for accepted scripters/scripts. I was never dissapointed in the slightest by a script I purchased from there (except for one that was scripted for a truncated pornub version of a video - but that’s a trigger for a different time). Now it seems that more of the scripts I want are pay vs free. I don’t have a problem with paying for scripts. However, I do have a huge problem with buying a script and have it end up being a poor quality script. A few bucks isn’t going to break the bank for me, but it’s more the feeling of opening a present but getting a turd in the box. Additionally, when I became part of the community, AI scripting existed. However, it was seen as a tool to help make accurate scripts. It is very troublesome to see AI scripting being used in isolation and monetized when it is clearly not good quality.
- Community Interaction - This one really has its ups and downs. Most of the vocal members of the community are awesome. I’ve met some really cool people here (a lot through my OSR2+ trades) that I still chat with to this day. There’s also a lot of bad apples that I try (mostly successfully) to ignore. Over time, I’ve seen an increase in these bad apples becoming more demanding - free links, different file size/formats, content types, etc. To me, what makes them “bad” is when I look at their profile and see stuff like - 0 likes given, 0 started posts, etc. Leeches! I’m seeing more and more of this every day.
- Effort/Reward - When I joined, I was in absolute awe of the effort that so many members were putting in. Both in terms of time spent scripting as well as with interacting with the community. I felt that I was getting much more reward that I was putting in effort for, which is why I tried to contribute as much as possible. As time has pssed, I really feel like the ratio is tipping in the other direction and that I’m not getting back what I put in.
So much of what @GoonerScriptz is brainstorming on helps address some of my core thoughts. Creating a smaller trusted community helps address many of my issues. I’d rather share/create for a small group of engaged members. I don’t care about the reach of my contributions, just about the appreciation and benefit. Alternatively, keeping everything I create to myself, or moving to pay scripts would help right-size the effort/reward issues that I’m struggling with. Yes, it may seem like it would divide the community, but I would argue that it would separate the true community away from users that are consumers (not community members), and would be perfectly fine with consuming directly from a marketplace for scripts such as SLR, Gumroad, etc.
The hardest part is starting though. I appreciate the dialog and am hopeful that we can flatten or rectify some of the decline that I’m perceiving over time.
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@defucilis after thinking on how to approach this I think I’ve decided on doing Community Events of different sorts which will be based here on EroScripts.
Like this: [Community Event] Halloween Script Extravaganza
If anyone wants to Trade and/or Collab I will take that organizing to a personal discord.
With that being said I still think it would be useful to have another Category to post under as people could easily miss something posted under general.
See here: [Community Event] Halloween Script Extravaganza - #20 by anal4ever
Not sure what the perms are on pinning posts but I will most likely continue with the events because so far they’ve met my expectations for participation