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We are very up front about piracy in the site. as long as content is hosted off of the forum we dont hold liability. torrent magnets are disallowed for this reason.

magnet links make us liable because P2P protocols has precedent with the pirate bay that magnet links can hold us liable.

Direct downloads have no liability problems if we are not hosting the content. at most we host thumbnails/gifs. and if that was enough for litigation you could persue way bigger fish than us.

I personally have no moral issue with loli content. its not a real child. No one is being hurt. but my opinions dont change US Law.
Here if you’d like to read:

a)In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene.

Accusations about the mods moral compass are immature and dont solve any problems.

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:slight_smile: I said this in a DM to someone -

It’s like you invite someone to your house and ask them to take their shoes off before coming in. Instead of taking their shoes off off, or simply leaving, they stand there on your porch and yell at your closed door for hours. All the while binging up scientific papers regarding bacteria on shoes vs. socks, their particular orthopedic needs, toenail length, and religious beliefs.

The meme regarding “arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics” plays in my head every time I see this thread at the top of the site when I visit.

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Exactly. If it’s your site, you make the rules. If not, follow the rules. Goes no further. Accept them or leave.

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Then why aren’t we allowed to link other sites with torrents like “my jav bay” when someone looks for a source then? It’s not a magnet link to the torrent file itself.

I mean, it’s fine. Torrent’s a no-go and always has been here so it’s not like you yoinked it unceremoniously out of the blue.

Oh, pipe down, will you.

You’ve made it very clear where you stand on the matter, you’re just rubbing your hands together at this point pretending to be objective and impartial.

It’s a forum, yeah, people will discuss things. Especially if they were left vague and suddenly sprung on people.

I’m also wondering that as he literally just said:

Like I said. I’ll abide regardless of how I feel about it and it’s not gonna make me stop using the forum but there’s parts that don’t quite make sense and I just want to really understand.

and I guess I’m never gonna get a clear answer on the topic of Atomi Shuri and Lala kudo or other performers like them. Some of Lala’s scenes are too much for me tbh but does it make it “obscene” and worthy of ban?

I’m thinking of this one in particular

I’m actually surprised it’s still on SLR tbh.

If it was up to me, a lot of loli content that’s been deemed obscene would be much less of a risk than that.

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As you mention. its questionable. theres no definite yes or no. We want to steer clear of litigious attention and loli content at least in the geographical location of the server says no but no clear metric of what is and isnt allowed.

We want to steer clear of it entirely to avoid knocks at our doors.

We’ve been back and forth enough about everyones concerns that we think it would be easier to avoid the issue entirely. We don’t take censorship lightly and this is why we haven’t banned other things.

Our stance is effectively like so:
If the law permits, and no one is hurt, its no one else’s business.

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It’s incredibly hard to just post scripts here. When people post scripts, they want the video to go with them, which leads to people posting links. And links, even if hosted elsewhere, still make Eroscripts liable for sharing them.

It would also be kinda of silly to share scripts for a loli video where you can’t say loli, can’t post images, can’t link to the video in reference, etc. It makes more sense to ban it outright.

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It wouldn’t be, I suppose, but there would be no incentive. Like “Here’s a script for loli video ‘2sdjkgf8dg8f8g’. Can’t show you what it is or where you can find it, but I’m sharing it anyway.”

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Not exactly the same thing, but this is how I would view it personally. There’ve been recent paid scripter bans on Gumroad and Payhip. Even though some paid scripters are not uploading any NSFW visuals or listing actor or scene names and only uploading a funscript (and linking to ES), they’re still getting banned because it seems that funscripts are now deemed as NSFW content and doesn’t sit well with Visa/MC. If they have influence to consider funscripts created for adult use as adult content, then perhaps US law could consider funscripts created for use with loli/shota as ‘obscene’ adult content as well.

Again, I know this isn’t directly tied to CC companies, but I’d say it’s still related. The chances of getting in trouble are probably low now, but when you host a website with many users, it paints a bigger target on your back and it gets bigger the more popular it gets. And you wouldn’t want to be the lucky one who gets made an example of by law enforcement.

Loli/shota are the target because that’s what society as a whole sees as a more significant problem than others, whether you agree with it or not. I would not expect the mod team to become martyrs for you. If your risk tolerance allows for it, then you can attempt to do so yourself on your own site.

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you could even skip posting the name and just put it in the metadata of the funscript

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To the moderators, I would like to ask a question to directly understand the criteria for post deletion.

Suppose I post a link to a site distributing the script of a work that is visually considered lolicon or shotacon under U.S. law on EroScripts.

1.The lolicon or shotacon work is by a Japanese author.
2.Although the work is visually considered lolicon or shotacon under U.S. law, the author declares that ‘all characters are 18 years old or older.’
3.The link to the work is not an infringing link but rather a link to a Japanese sales site.
4.The content I intend to post on EroScripts consists of ‘the title of the work and a link to the site distributing the script’ as text only, without any images or media.
5. The site distributing the script contains links to lolicon and shotacon works.

I myself doubt the usefulness of a post without a preview of the work, but I would like to ask if it meets the site’s deletion criteria just in case.

Thank you.

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Here’s the reasons I think just posting a script with minimal information will not be okay (something that I personally would not like to see, so this is my opinion)

  1. It’s still promoting the content, you can swing it anyway you want but you’re posting a script for banned content and pointing it to said banned content.
  2. Allowing for just a script to be posted is going to lead to a lot of low/no effort posts.
  3. People that are vehemently against the content are going to flag every post which is going to be a mess for mods and again a bunch of posts that say “this is flagged”.
  4. It may set a precedent for people to post just scripts with low/no effort for all content, there are already a lot of cases of low/no effort posts since the format is just a suggestion and not a rule.
  5. Posts that hit on points 2-4 are going to make the site look awful atheistically.

My question is why go through all this trouble to wiggle around the rules? Are there no alternative sites that allow this content (genuine question)? Seems you would all be more comfortable and have less of a hard time using a site that is not restrictive on that content. (None of what I’m saying is meant in a negative way to people that enjoy this content, just inquiry)

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Logically, if you’re using a post to point to banned content (providing a link, title, description etc) it probably wouldn’t fly, you’re still promoting it. I imagine the point of the ban would be to completely distance the site from whatever content they want to ban.

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Yes a funscript in and of itself is nothing, but it’s made for something. Sharing the title and description or a link is still sharing it. In your example post the only thing not being shown is an image of anything sexual but your still very clearly referring to and sharing a specific video, in the form of a direct link.

Look neither of us can speak for mods or the site owner and I’m not familiar with the extent of the legality but if I was a site owner and I ban something (for whatever reason) I wouldn’t want it to still be promoted on my site.

Personally, I just don’t want the overall quality of the site to suffer by loosening/abandoning post guidelines, I can see it devolving, but that may just be my concern.

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I would like to explain why I am attempting to distribute scripts in what some may consider a troublesome method of evading rules.

Please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion.

Firstly, it is because the site’s policies are concerned with legal risks rather than personal preferences. I believe there is an understanding of loli and shota content.

Secondly, it is because I am displeased with laws created by hypocritical conservatives in the United States. Laws must be followed, but if a law itself is flawed, people must stand up. Let me provide an example: Suppose murder were legally permitted in the United States. Even if the law allowed it, I strongly believe it would be wrong. It must be corrected.

My actions are a form of protest. Therefore, I believe that posts using legal loopholes should be allowed.

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See, this is so god damn misleading, whether intentional or not.

Sending code 1644A really doesn’t help your case because you either haven’t read it or are really hoping people take you at your word. For anyone actually interested in the code I’ll break it down a bit.
The US has some of the best protections for freedom of expression in the world.

You expecitly left out the part pertaining to loli:

(A)
depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B)
lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;

and in 2252A, the penalties, it outlines a description of child pornography where

(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

This is the reason that even a site like ATF bans photorealistic AI generation.
We could argue about the law back and forth because people love to intentionally misread it, but in that case, just look at the history of sites in similar situations.
There is not 1 case, ever, of a US hosted/owned site being taken down BY FORCE due to loli art, NOT ONE. The only true threat to this site, would be Visa/Mastercard blocking payments within the site. Which if we are to take you at your word, should never be a problem:

But if you’re changing the rules based on the big card providers, then you are gonna have other problems, because they hate all porn.

Look, I understand that your site, your rules. But stop hiding behind the thinly veiled shield of the US law, when the US law is the thing protecting this site at the moment.

You are planning to ban this content because you think there’s a risk. And you refuse to actually address what that risk is specifically. Just a vague, “oh legal risk”.

And for all the people celebrating the ban because the thing you hate is gone now, don’t be so short sighted, you’re celebrating unjustified censorship with poor communication to go along with it.

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Well before they used to say “Content that is realistically styled is not allowed (as a reference example: Last of Us gameplay ).”

Which I could understand why, they are sometimes “too realistic” and “underage” that could put you close to the line, I was somewhat accepting of the rule.

Clearly the loli content that is on the site is not realistic and you can understand that they aren’t real…

:saluting_face: Well at least there will soon be a place for all lolis to be welcome.

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Have seen some comments mentioning that we should still be able to post scripts for videos that would fall under this ban, but not the video itself and that the person will have to find the video on their own. While I somewhat would like this to be a thing, have to keep in mind that if this would be allowed then it would technically open up scripts for other site banned content, like deepfake content for example.

If the site would start accepting us to post only the scripts for loli/shota content but not the content itself, then technically, what would then stop people from posting scripts for other banned content? The mods/admins/site owner etc have most likely already discussed this internally.

I have a feeling that after this ban is in effect, there will definitely be some people that will go and flag/report content with petite women that they personally deem as “loli” content and with a reason like “this character is actually XX years old and is from the XX game/anime, they are not petite, they are clearly a loli” etc etc. And sadly it feels like it won’t stop at this, because people will always have different views towards certain things.

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It’s a free site run by volunteers. Hence, the mods DO get the final say.

I’m getting a bit tired of the logic that “if my thing is banned, then you have to ban all these other things!”

No one is censoring you. The mods are uncomfortable with it, and it is their site. Find another forum to post that stuff on.

You guys are starting to sound like Trumpies. Muh freedom! Muh rights! C’mon, give it a rest.

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Did you even bother reading the thread? I can’t count how many times they repeated it wasn’t done out of personal taste but it’s not like I’d expect you to give a shit if it validates your worldview.

Oh my god, dude. Seriously?

No one’s making you read the thread.

There are plenty of pertinent discussions taking place.

And yeah, no, I don’t care how it is seen from people like you. Freedom, rights and all of that are worth standing up for an no amount of shaming is gonna shut us up.

We’re aware the decision is final and we have mostly accepted it. We’re trying to find compromises or to understand what it will mean concretely. I got most of my answers, but others are allowed to keep probing.

Just mute the thread like you should have muted the tag if it bothered you that much, jesus.

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Hello! Please don’t get emotional.
As I mentioned earlier, I understand that the moderators are considering only the legal risks.
If that’s the case, I am pointing out that there are legal risks associated with content other than lolicon and shotacon.
I am raising this issue because I find their arguments contradictory.
In fact, my question has not yet been answered.

You claim that the moderators are uncomfortable with me, but have you asked them directly?
It might be due to my poor English skills, but I couldn’t find any context indicating that the moderators are uncomfortable with me.
Again, emotional responses won’t lead to a productive discussion.

In the end, we will likely follow the administrators’ intentions. However, I feel that there is currently a lack of explanation.

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