You inevitably reach a point where the potential of actions based hits a wall. There’s only so much variety that can be generated from a dozen or so muscle groups of a moderately in shape person. The average pornstar has to maintain a certain level of fitness to be able to get through longer scenes, but they’re not olympic athletes. There is a limit to their speed and complexity/variability of movement. I start to get bored with the same simple repetitive movements. Yes, a scripter can spice things up, but there is only so much you can do without it being disjointed. Newer scripts with stuttering movement are a prime example. Not that they’re bad, but it is a crutch for what would otherwise boring movement.
The potential of music is near limitless. Dynamic rhythms with nothing holding it back. Porn is made on a conveyor belt and pushed out. The market can’t afford for them to make anything overly special or unique. Introducing music and basing movement off of it adds the special and unique part that is missing. I’ve experienced the same song in many different PMVs and every one of them had a different take on translating the song to movement. Meanwhile, actions scripts are still hitting the same down-stroke and up-stroke points. It’s rigid and boring. Even with multi-axis, how many pornstars are going full belly dancer or stepping out of a single axis of movement to an extent that it would have bearing on a full length script? I’d rather have a multi-axis PMV that uses different parts of the song for different axis movements.
I think they are great fun, like the challenge element. Love the edgy ones with the breaks in and how the beats change things up. I think its just very different from Sex so its novel.
I cant get enough of those and the JOI’s, great fun.
For me the realism part doesnt get through it, there is always that artificial feeling. Mainly because most of the time there are other actions being performed, which the device cant transfer (suction and multiple actions combined). And there is the part where rythm is adjusted towards the ‘intensity’ in order to last longer etc. This just doesnt convert to such device as it instead will just continue at full strength, or already slow down earlier. Dynamic videos would be very welcome here, where you can basicly mark the cumshot moment yourself when it happens (by pressing a button), and the video responds to it then.
And for that reason i just go for things that arent ment to be realistic. CH and PMVs handle this quite well, just like some animated stuff. CH’s and PMVs are more of a ‘how long can you last’ chalenge which for me works better. PMVs are good if i want to go for something quick, CHs when i want to take some longer time.
JOI’s also work well because they try to give the same idea as CH’s. But even then, they most of the time also focus on multiple actions, where the device lacks. But outside of that, they offer a decent enough experience.
I dont need overly intense scripts. For CH videos i prefer the slower ones (yet still full strokes, half strokes feel very off to me). And in some cases just edit the scripts to be full stroke and slower (basicly a variety script). But most of the time those edits are very simple (and not worth posting here).
Faster CHs are nice when you got a numbing effect and still want to finish.
I used to not care for PMVs or HMVs, and I thought CH was a cool idea before I got a handy (I grew up playing rhythm games, not Osu! or Guitar Hero I mean Beatmania IIDX, Pop’n and DDR, Jubeat, SDVX so I’ve always liked the idea of “passing” or “failing” a song, I also was a Hardcore DJ for awhile). I made charts for stepmania back in the day (which I’m still trying to translate to the handy). I originally bought the handy to bring my Koikatsu/Honey Select stuff to life. Once I got the handy and started scripting I realized how good thing this thing follows a beat, and the rest resulted being me stuck in this space. When picking what to script this is my criteria:
Song must have a stand out quality - Even if it’s a unique sound, or a bouncy bass. Anything that will translate to an interesting pattern. Female vocalists have become my recent favorite. I’ve even scripted ASMR voices.
If including action, I need at least 8 strokes of movement. - Quick cut videos of a girl bouncing her head up and down for 1-2 seconds isn’t going to translate well. But it may be perfect for audio sync.
On screen action matches the pace of the music in terms of switches, cuts, or movement. Otherwise I have to exaggerate, which isn’t always good.
If switching scenes during action, the stroke needs continuity, in example. If a scene ends at the top of a stroke, the following clip should also be a the top. Otherwise I’m going to have to hide it between music.
But honestly, I’m getting burned out on scripting/posting PMVs/HMVs (and the lack of feedback, this really takes a lot of time, and effort to do, almost as much as mixing… plus this post opened my eyes to a lot), so I’ve really slowed down on what I post, script privately (because I know what I like), or just not post at all.
It feels really disappointed when you create something yourself that you want to share with others and then get zero feedback for it. You think “That is pretty cool and I am proud and happy it turned out so good. I bet people will like it!” And then nobody leaves any feedback. It’s an absolute motivation killer.
I can see you put a lot of thought and effort into your scripts and what videos you choose.
A lot of free content is paid for through advertising. Or through crowdsourcing data that you then can make money with.
There is no such way to do that for scripts, but people still think they should have free access to it. So why would they thank you if they already expect to get it anyway?
Because motivation/direction/feedback will help better pick the videos/scripts for sharing to get better response, instead of taking shots into the dark, hoping some will hit. Because when they don’t hit:
I’m not learning anything about the audience. Like I said, I was a DJ, I need crowd/audience feedback to better select these things, and broaden my own range. Otherwise:
On the struggle between action-based and music-based script, I don’t believe there needs to be such a dichotomy. PMV/HMVs is about the unison between audio and visuals, script can be handled cleverly to work with both, or striking a balance in between.
If a PMV/HMV needs a distinction between action and audio, because there’s hardly any correlation between the two, then might as well disqualify the video as an MV.
On a side note, I think music-based scripts are an interesting genre on its own, and does not have to be considered an “alternative” to action-based ones. This is where scripting become an artistic gesture more than a utilitarian practice.
The following are some examples of scripts that has parts based entirely off music:
This is the question that you can almost always ask yourself no matter what you script, e.g. “why should you script a video with an unknown girl when you can script a video with Sasha Foxxx and get X times more views and likes?” I think it’s rather obvious that if you script popular videos like PMVs you will get more views. This goes for every video, e.g. vr scripts get also more likes when compared to 2d videos. Both cases you will make a lot of people happy, they just have different preferences.
The way I look at it is: because you enjoy it. As long as you like it and you feel that scripting PMVs and such will help you motivate yourself there is nothing against it. However, if you feel like you won’t enjoy it and “force” yourself to do it, it will have completely different effect. So the question you should ask yourself is rather: “Will I enjoy it as well?”.
God that song is horrible don’t think I ever came across it in a pmv though thank God lol also wish people would stop using WAP that song makes me want to shove ice picks in my ears
For me it´s several things.First as you mentioned, those videos are usually very stimulating on a visual level.
But I also collected normal amv´s and similar clips for a long time. If done right, the editingquality alone can do a lot to please in a different way, the beat of the music added to this…a well done pmv has almost something asmr-like on a pleasurelevel. it just scratches this itch you also have in music building up tension to be fully released in the last chorus. I´m not sure anyone understands what I try to say here…
On top there´s just more room for creative scripting, movements that are hugely stimulating and switching around; as long as you match the beat you are free to do what you want. With other scripts you are often bound to what is happening.
When it comes to action- or musicbased, both can be good. Even better if it switches on some occasions where it makes sense. I can´t think of any specific right now (and I´m too lazy to search for it), but I´ve seen videos posted here where this was very well done.
So…pmv´s rise and fall with the qualitywork of whoever put the clips and scripts together I think. Normal videos might be easier to script, while being more work overall, but you have more guidelines…
It just feels that you have a way bigger range in pmv´s from really good to really bad scripts that just don´t work; with porn, as long as the person scripting follows the action, you can´t do as much wrong…but then again I haven´t that much experience at all, so…could be completely wrong here
I tend to gravitate to it (especially the split screen ones) because its more imaginative and interesting. Most scripts that try to recreate sex feels redundant and quite frankly boring.
I personally felt thehandy worked better for content that is less realistic and more creative.
To be fair, most regular sex is quite boring movement wise. Sure, you can change position (and therefor angle) to spice that up a bit. But this isnt realy what makes sex great anyway. Sex is great purely by the interaction with the partner. Its that interaction that does most of the work.
For example being able to grab a breast and have her react to that directly. A machine and a video wont do this (and AI currently isnt far enough to do this convincingly even if the option was there).
So yeah, unrealistic videos and forcing own imagination are a good way to cover it up, because good sex is mostly in the mind anyway (even if the partner basicly doesnt move, the imagination that she for example is imitating a sex doll can still do a great job, while normaly this would be the most dull sex you can get).
I don’t use tiktok, but I imagine most of those videos are like the youtube shorts – Filmed vertically…
in which case, I imagine it’s probably just trying to make the best out of a bad situation → needing to edit vertical videos along side an otherwise landscape video.
I clicked on your link, and it seems most of the videos that were vertical had “tiktok” in their title. So that’s likely the reason. The videos were meant for mobile viewing, and PMVs are meant for desktop viewing…
Yes to cock/fap heros if they’re executed well (which is rare). Bastati Abzero is still the benchmark though I suppose once quantz is finished with his that’ll set the new standard. PMV’s aren’t my thing.
@Slibowitz: I’m a huge fan of your work over on faptap
I personally like a mix of both PMV and normal. To me PMV is an out of mind/body type of experience which is awesome to get zoned out in. But when it comes time to really get into things I prefer normal scenes. So I know the normal ones take more time, but please continue to make them (along with the other creators)!
BTW, I recent came across @BitterSwee’s Trace Tease 1 which is a very cool type of PMV where the action isn’t synced to the movement or the beat, but it placed really nicely between them both with some awesome unique stuff in it. This video has become my new GOAT so I’d love to see more of this style… totally out of this world.
Not a justification.
don’t think I ever came across it in a pmv though thank God lol also wish people would stop using WAP that song makes me want to shove ice picks in my ears
