‘3 strokes you’re out’
First thing that came to my mind when I wrote it lol
There’s also the uncomfortable truth that almost all PMVs, HMVs, and Cock Heroes are a form of piracy. I highly doubt that many of them would pass the scrutiny of transformative works under DMCA. I doubt we will ever see torches and pitchforks from this forum go after them when there is little difference between a free link to them versus any other media that falls under copyright.
I’m still not for piracy as previously mentioned, just calling out the hypocrisy.
There actualy is. If media was publicly released, and you make a derived works out of that, depending on country that can actualy still be legal. Especialy PMV’s and CHs generaly make something completely new out of the content.
Sure, they cannot ask any money for that, but a free video can often still be excluded because the original source is already publicly available through a legal way.
They can do a DCMA takedown for it, but in many cases they instead just claim the advertisement profits and just keep the video alive (it still generates money after all).
This is where mega links are usualy an issue vs PH links. But again, laws differ per country.
So its not hypocrisy. Its a completely diffirent case.
Paid media generaly doesnt want to be in a public source. And often is also disallowed for PH videos for that same reason. Asking for a free source here is therefor actualy an issue. Its diffirent towards a source that is public and relies on advertisement for income. For those free videos, the derived work can generate money the same way, but for paid media, you remove their primary income.
Sure, in mosy cases its not clear where the content came from. And this is definitely a grey area where people just dont care. But again, people dont even care about paid media considering they ask for free sources…
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The main issue that must be overcame is that the focus once modified is not supposed to be the original copyright media. Usually it is a person reacting to YouTube content where they argue that people are watching for their reaction. There are also movie reviewers, like cinema sins, where they can get away with showing 25% of a movie because they talk over it the entire time.
With PMVs, HMVs, and Cock Heroes they typically attempt to overcome copyright by adding more copyright material like music. None of the assortment of media is presented in a way where the focus is not the original materials the entire time. This disqualifies it from being fair use with what exists for legal arguments.
I can get into the specific cases like MxR Plays vs. Jukin Media or H3H3 vs Matthew Hosseinzadeh. There is a big difference between how you can interpret the law and how it is actually applied when filtered by judicial scrutiny.
Who is checking a PMV to make sure all of the clips are from publicly available, non paid sources? Even if they were publicly available, how do you know they are not still under license from the copyright owner for ad revenue sharing? The only way to make a blanket justification that it is ok is to answer with convenient assumptions at every challange.
I think it’s pretty obvious that people will always look at eroscripts partially as a video sharing forum.
However, it would be nice to add the rule that says that if you see a comment asking for free link, do not repeat it unless X time has passed and limit the answer to only one working link at the time. It’s beneficial for scripters and users. The users don’t have to look into the post if someone posted actual free link, the scripters don’t have to look at users who try to outdo each other who posts more free links/requests in comments.
Very niche content can be a fair use argument because otherwise such niche content is unlikely to be made at all. This is why most of the time the number of viewers is an important aspect for takedowns.
Yes, its deliberately done that way in law. And in such way that even if later on a creator becomes more popular and falls out of niche, that they can still apply the DCMA.
Its often not illegal to do, but only with certain conditions (which vary per country like almost everything). Countries generaly do not want to include everything because these grey areas of piracy actualy do benefit the countries. The less rules, the more your civilians can copy.
If you for example took a lot of samples from media you are not supposed to use in such way. And created something new out of it. If the audience is very small. Then its simply fair use because you know big companies will never create such content (no audience thats worthy enough). Yet you could have made it for whatever reason. Your reasoning can be a valid reason to make the derived works. It needs popularity before it becomes worthy. And then when it finaly is they can do those DCMA’s (which generaly backfire in popularity to the requester) or request for profit sharing (which at that point is usualy even a fair share).
In most works of art its not about the individual sections, its about the art as a whole. Thats where the fair use argument usualy takes place.
And yes, they often can do DCMA’s on such niche content, but usualy they just dont care. Even just a studio name in a CH video can actualy cause a new person to join that flatform and generate income for them.
as madscripts has reiterated, this is not a topic about piracy. If you want to discuss that, please create another topic about it
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Go to any US police department, stand outside, and ask a cop to sell you an eight ball.
When he arrests you, show him this reply.
Let us know if your insistence impresses him.
As a brand new user of this forum, allow me to offer an outside perspective. Clearly, the challenge is anonymity. Easily understandable. We reluctantly bother a fellow pedestrian where we gleefully honk at another vehicle. Whether a packed thoroughfare or an anonymous forum, those who would act out have the freedom to imagine themselves disparate and unaccountable.
As we are all networked sub-atomically, those who are irresponsible have failed to account the dissimulation of what we call reality is only a construct. In the digital world, anonymity is easily reverse-engineered.
Regardless, given the nature of this sharing, anonymity is essential. To stop the trust erosion, you could ladder privileges - users showing consideration are shown consideration. Those willing to affix their imprimatur and put their identity behind their words get run of the house. Give to get.
Imitate communication structures where people need to gain status to post other than likes. Your trolling problem might resolve itself.
And before I forget, THANKS to the providers and THANKS to the polite users on this forum! You are very much loved, each and everyone of you, and when I forget to tell you sometimes, presume it was my own error that caused my inadvertent omission, not an indicator of my displeasure.
PLAY ON!
Chris
<#strong weed!>
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I am willing to bet that the officer would probably not arrest someone based on that. If the person was insistent to the point of harassing the officer then maybe, but since it was clear the officer had no intent to sell, and barring the lack of any intellectual deficiencies and defects on the subject inquiring an officer for illegal drugs… I bet a judge wouldn’t waste court time with such a ridiculous situation. Use your brain.
There is still no real enforcement in the legality related to anyone requesting pirated content. Because of the disparity in copyright laws and their enforcement.
Plus, it is hard to prove intent…
There would have to be evidence the person requesting the pirated content has done so in the past, to establish intent in the request and sincerity. This would require identifying the person inquiring, and then getting a court order to search said person’s technology for incriminating evidence… possibly having to cross international jurisdictions, cutting through any red tape related to that and the specific copyright legalities of the region…
It is just too much to go through for a simple request… Which is why they are more likely to go after hosting services, because proving their intent is much easier.
Wow, idk how this topic flew under my radar. I’m not sure I can really add any value to what’s already been said but I think for the most that I agree with Madscripts on this. People need to chill out with asking for free links. Most videos aren’t even hard to find. Back in my RTS days, all you’d get was a script, a video title, and a timestamp and you’d hope to god you found and downloaded the right version 
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This is going to be a little long winded but I do want to talk about the likes to downloads ratio.
I’ve been a part of this community from almost the very beginning, back when realtouchscripts use to be the go to place. Although it was a dated, dying, and abandoned forum, ticking down until whatever ISP/Hosting shut it down for good, it never felt like it was (until it was time to jump ship to here lol). People posted things, and others replied with thanks and requests. Even then there were a few recognizable names, some still around, some not, maybe under different names. It was a small community but people made it work.
Early Eroscripts was the same way and some of things are still true. We have awesome Moderators/Leaders like hugecat. And an array of great scripters both free and paid that have been doing the heavy lifting and even innovate or have they’re on twists (@shbek idk what witchcraft you do to consistently create your intense vibe ver. scripts but that shiz is the kind of scripts I want to make ong)
There is one thing that I’ve noticed but never bothered to put into words that echo Madscripts sentiments. VR scripts have always been one of the most popular scripts on here. I dont use my headset for videos often, but if I see a damn good scene + script, Im sure to bookmark it and leave a like. In the early times of Eroscripts when a free VR script dropped there would be 20-50 hearts and some praises for scripting that scene. In 2021, when this site really started expanding, the same kind of scripts got about 40-80 hearts. Now with 13k+ active users those same really popular VR scripts by people like Sentinel… around 100 hearts on average to 150+ on a well loved scenes…
Those very same post will have script links that have 500+ clicks (and that doesn’t even include people who middle click to open them as it doesn’t seem to track that) but only 50 to a 100 will ever leave a like. That’s kind of whack to me. I get it tho, it’s porn. A pornhub video will have 10,000,000+ plus view and only a few thousand likes. It’s kind of the law of diminishing returns (probably not using that concept right, but it sounds like it 
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I don’t know what can be done to fix this.
@hugecat I do know that some forums require people to leave a like in order to access the links in the Original Post but I don’t know if Discuss is capable of that or if it’s even worth it, but just throwing out an idea.
Either way more caring equals more sharing. The Care Bears were talking that real shit for decades.
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I started scripting just because I wasn’t satisfied with the relatively soft scripts 
I was horny enough to script the videos on my own. And scripting everyday just made me better and better at it.
And plus to that, there were so many cgi/animation/hentai contents that needed to be scripted. So I was so motivated at the beginning! I wanted to share this experience that I had with the community. Lots of users liked my first script and left nice comments on it. And that was when I thought this could be something special for me.
The video sharing part wasn’t that hard for me since I had to download the video to script it anyway.
I had to script all the vibrations one by one spending hours on a simple slow stroke patterns back in those days when I just started scripting.
https://discuss.eroscripts.com/t/slayerm8sfm-demon-slayer-nezuko-x-zenitsu-soft-full-vibration-2-scripts/64832
This one took at least 6hours to script even though the video was only 5 mins long 
But now, thanks to extension features, I was able to script much faster! That’s why I can script longer videos these days.
I am currently using this one a lot:
This is actual witchcraft if you get used to it!
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last I looked, unfortunately there’s not (straightforward) way to make downloads tied to liking
If you force a user to like a post (or reply as some sites require) to gain access to download links then it means nothing. The vast majority of downloaders will only do it to get access to the link, not because they mean it.
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I’m a little late to the conversation but want to share my 2 cents on the reasons I believe are relevant to understand the dynamics of lower and lower engagement in a growing community of sharing.
I’m around long enough to be more than embarassed about my stats as I leave way too many hearts, barely ever post, even though I’d really like to give back, be it through upscales, mirrors or even finally finishing a script of my own.
But the amount of content released per day can be overwhelming, and I already spend way too much time on browsing, reading, downloading (or looking up the torrent, renaming and copying to the Quest for VR), getting the Handy ready and finally testing the script(s) so that I hardly ever get back to the topic when I’m, well finished.
I’m an IT professional and occational pirate for over 20 years, but still most of the links provided here would take me some time and effort to find, and I think that most of the provided Megas I wouldn’t be able to get otherwise as torrents or other sources are dead.
But let me tell you, most people 35yrs and up do not even understand the basic principles of computing like folder structures yet know how to use google correctly. They will download 10 malicious files before finally finding a 360p source that has a 25 second advertisement at the beginning.
And the younger folks have been so spoiled by getting everything without any effort on Youtube, Netflix, Spotify, Pornhub and the like that they never had to develop any skills whatsoever so they’re even annoyed to have to ask the scripter for something that they feel entitled to get served on a silver platter - they don’t understand that this is a community.
I don’t think I should be allowed to start a dm conversation with any of the legends around here - If I had anything to ask or propose, I can choose the appropriate topic or create a new one.
How this should be limited I don’t know, but I think it’s the only way to tackle the problem…
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I totally agree with the idea that some people are too spoiled to look something for themselves.
One day I actually had to to spend 30mins to explain about how to install Handy into the desk. And yes, he did thanked me at the end, but it was little sad that till the end, he never tried to make it work by himself.
Act of kindness isn’t a necessity. (especially online) But if someone shows it and the others shows respect towards him/her, the person who showed kindness will be happy enough to do it again.
As a scripter, financial support helps a lot. But I can’t deny the fact that sometimes a heart warming comment to the post or an single press to the heart button can mean something more than you expect it to be.
Sometimes a nice comment can make someone start scripting every single day.
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I totally agree with this comment
Thanks to good comments, I think I was able to get back from work and keep working on the script
it cheered me up a lot!
If everyone is a little more considerate, this site will become more active, on the better side!
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To be honest, I feel this community has met the same fate as virtually every other community based on user-created content over the past few months/year. Created with the best of throughts in mind, there are a few that are cool and a relatively large number of assholes. The number of the latter is increasing faster and faster. Some of them are also the reason why I don’t create any scripts at the moment. In the medium term, I fear the same fate for this community as so many others of its kind. The community content will take a back seat and be replaced by a few “professional” creators. Since they then get paid for it, they don’t care if there are some arrogant assholes or not.
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