Seriously guys, of all the stupid and short-sighted decisions you could make? Are you trying to get this site killed?
Whether or not ‘loli’ content is technically legal is irrelevant. Your hosting company won’t care. If they are accused of hosting CP, they’ll nuke the entire site. The sponsors that help fund the site won’t care. Do you think Handy want their products advertised alongside images of children being fucked?
Do you know who will care? New users. What impression do you think it gives someone who visits this site for the first time? Can I really recommend this site to friends anymore? “You should try eroscripts, they’ve got loads of great content. Just ignore the paedophiles.”
I’m sure there’s a small group of passionate users who are strongly in favour of this content, but submitting to their wishes will get this site killed. Either by outside intervention or by driving away more mainstream users. Please do something about it before that happens.
Honestly this is exact reason I voted for making some tags hidden by default
It’s NWSF in the world of NSFW so having it under a SWF/NSFW toggle would be nice
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I think I should try to make this an actual toggle then?
From a server host perspective, the forum has migrated to be resilient against that.
From a moral perspective, I don’t like it but as long as it’s fictional and no children are involved anywhere in the pipeline it’s not a black and white issue.
From a mainstream new user perspective, you’re right in that it’d be a minefield to recommend the forum to people who would find it disturbing that such content is allowed on here.
A lot of popular NSFW media sites allow it (boorus, R34 etc.), so I’m not sure if it’s that discouraging in practice.
All in all, I think it’s up to the forum owner to decide but I’d personally prefer content like that to be opt-in instead of opt-out.
Toggles would be a good enhancement in general, but honestly I think the images and videos of children need to go completely. Animated or not.
The big pirate sites aren’t afraid of breaking the law, but most of them won’t even touch this kind of material. Let alone categorise it and make it easy to find. It’s toxic and it will harm this site if you allow it.
It’s one thing to allow it on a site that is dedicated to closely related content. It’s a very different thing to allow it on a site that caters to a wide variety of tastes. Do any of the top 10 porn sites allow this sort of material?
You make a good point. I was considering websites specifically for people sharing and looking for illustrated content, which is niche compared to porn overall. It’s not a fair comparison considering this forum is for all sorts of content.
The most popular sites that allow such material are DeviantArt (146.8M visits during May this year) and DLSite (108.56M).
I totally agree, I was delighted when it was banned and was surprised to see it had been reversed. I’m going to have to terminate my membership, and certainly my patreon if this isn’t addressed soon. And spare me your references to 1984 and Pastor Niemoller please, he and Orwell would be rolling in their graves to be evoked in defence of KP cartoons.
I’m going to have to terminate my membership, and certainly my patreon if this isn’t addressed soon. And spare me your references to 1984 and Pastor Niemoller please, he and Orwell would be rolling in their graves to be evoked in defence of KP cartoons.
I fully agree. At the end of the day the owner can choose to allow whatever content they like, but that doesn’t mean we need to keep coming here or supporting them. If you allow paedophilic content on your website, don’t be surprised when the only remaining users are the paedophiles.
Yeah, we probably want some default tags so people won’t complain as much. Nothing has “changed” but since certain tags were banned and brought back, it just seems like more loli content is coming up all of a sudden to help balance out all the hag videos
A lot of top porn sites have historically allowed it for a long time. Only now they want to have mass appeal and be a little more strict on drawn content, especially since Europe and Australia and killing whatever’s left of their concept of freedom of speech pretty quickly these days. America has always been mostly allowing this content with legally gray cases popping up in a few red states.
There’s a big Japanese-based community that’s into the Handy and funscripts as well that provides content here.
censorship is retarded in almost any context that isn’t law-breaking. your opinion doesn’t matter otherwise, though I heavily recommend that this sites blacklist/hide feature must be significantly enhanced. take Iwara for example, loli content of any kind is automatically hidden and only until you make the choice to make an account and then go and unhide it does it become available. this should be a standard practice going forward, as people are lazy and won’t blacklist it and then make a thread to complain and also people shouldn’t have to go and blacklist it anyway once they’re forced to see something they didn’t want to see.
also sidenote, why do script collections not have the same tag capability as the other categories
tldr more taboo kinks like loli should be auto-blacklisted by default. nobody should be forced to see what they would rather not see
It seems to me that the US is worse than a lot of Europe in terms of freedom of expression, and it’s going downhill. In 2024 the US was ranked 32nd by freedom of expression index. The current administration has been eroding it some more since then.
I’ve seen some notable examples of expression being censored in Europe the past few years, but not in ways that go against historical principles of what’s protected and not.
Australia’s quite bad, but I wouldn’t let the US off easy when mentioning freedom of expression being worn down as of late.
in the 2000s and early 2010s the world started valuing facts rather than opinions because we thought we were better than the older generation allowing us to legalize many positive things like gay marriage and other such things. thing is humans don’t actually learn and we’ve gravitated back to a more opinionated society due to social media vocalizing those strong opinions and after a short while, some countries reversing those positive laws.
rather than progressing and learning that not everyone will agree on something, we fight over it and try to force our opinion on the other side. easiest example would be abortion laws in the US being overturned in some places due to RELIGIOUS reasons of all things (no facts involved).
freedom of expression is dying everywhere and will continue if society continues to use opinion rather than fact
I get the sentiment, but if you are going to ban animated/drawn Loli content i dont see how you can tolerate RP taboo content either. Personally, i think the site is fine the way it is but the default blacklist idea/taboo toggle sounds like a good addition.
its a very biased argument because rape themed porn and incest themed porn is so normalized to many, 2 things that are very very illegal. which again shows how opinionated it is in nature.
so going by fact alone, topics like these are very taboo and should have easily accessible toggles for those using verified accounts that can be turned on, but turned off by default
Yeah, if you’re against loli/shota you should for sure be against ageplay porn.
Incest and CNC porn are tangential but have a large overlap in justification.
I don’t think it makes any moral difference if they’re human actors engaging with a fantasy or an illustrator using characters to do so. Both are fantasies.
I suppose you could make the argument that some viewers can be affected differently by how realistic the product is.
which i argue is worse than lolicon as its 100% real people (but that is my opinion)