1700 script index on Handy Feeling (Beta)

General
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I guess I see it differently. To boil it down Handy have said here’s over 1000 scripts for our customers in one convenient place and people have complained that they can only be used on the handy, that the cant be edited and have made vague complaints about privacy which were answered and then ignored.

I get complaining about the expiry on scripts you sub for. You can see from my previous comments that I am not a fan of the Naughty America/Dream Lover model and have said as much. I also complained about SLR when it had policies that were anti consumer but they are both paid services. No company has produced scripts completely for free to my knowledge. CzechVR and Wankz required a sub to there main channel.

If people wish to discuss the merits of piracy or how it can be done i would suggest the post from the company your trying to rip off is not the best place. Feedback is good if it’s constructive but lets be honest with ourselves not all of it has been.

You want scripts to be Free, accurate and plentiful. Pick two becuase your not gonna get all three.

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Actually you entirely misunderstood. I’m NOT advocating for piracy, I’m saying the walled garden approach will cause Piracy. Very different.

Go back and release your bias and try again.

Oh, and for the record, the original post isn’t “from the company”. Just one more mistatement you make.

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Good to see we’ve got to the argueing in bad faith part of the discussion. Releasing my bias I will point out you used the phrase “free the code” in one of your posts which certainly hints at a pro-piracy view point. Secondly Handyalexander has posted repeatedly in this thread. They may not have started the thread but they’re sure as hell engaged.

And while I was avoiding calling specific people out in my earlier posts I will merely point out that Handy have lauched a site with over 1000 free scripts, made and sold the most commonly used device for this niche hobby of ours and appear to be working with VR sites to make scripts more mainstream.

You on the otherhand Scruffynerf appear to have made 0 scripts, made zero original posts, never replied to posts asking for help or tech support, never left a post praising a scripters previous work and in the two years or so you have been registered on here given out a total of 6 likes.

You came in stating your opinions as fact having done zero research, claiming handy are harvesting your data and when people explained (including handy) that it wasn’t true, are still claiming it.

If you want this to be a strong vibrant community, contribute to it. If you want the scripts to be playable on other devices for yourself you can do that with zero coding experience. You need a smartphone camera, a small piece of paper and open funscripter. It takes a little bit of effort but its not difficult.

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Yup, clearly the bad faith portion. I specifically said I got a handy about 3 months ago. I have been in the PMV scene for quite a while, behind the scenes, but active on Discord, for example and I didn’t post here before because I didn’t own a device and joined here out of curiosity way back when, till recently.

But hey, I did my research, and you clearly didn’t, You are the one in bad faith. Done.

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I’ve read enough in this thread to see my opinion.
I will devoutly repeat myself from another thread.

I am pro-piracy.
I believe that piracy is and should be a primary competitor in a real free market.

That being said, I think people are a bit too paranoid about this DRM scheme, if you can even call it that.
I think SweetTech used the DRM term to satisfy investors. It’s significantly less invasive than something like Denuvo.
All this is, is obfuscating sections of the script at a time. This is essentially exactly what video sites do (blobbed streaming). Calling it DRM is a stretch IMO.

The final nail in the coffin for me from right from the handy site

However, script tokens are not a replacement for regular scripts – we will support both.

They are actually telling you that they’re innovating a technology that will make your scripts load near instantly and you can still use your own scripts.

Why are you complaining?

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exactly. they were offered free cake at a birthday party and Threw it on the ground.

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the personal attacks, and HandyAlexander liking it are why I know I’m right, and you’ll see. But hey, you want the poisoned pill, take it.

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We have seen some concerns in the community regarding the release of our script database service (new URL: ivdb.io), and it’s use of “script tokens”. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the confusion and explain the rationale behind it.

We have been scripting videos for 1.5+ year now. In that period, we learned a lot about creating scripts, onboarding content sites to the interactive space, and challenges facing users who want to enjoy scripted content. As a result, we have created tools and processes to improve all of the aforementioned issues. We are closing in on 2000 scripts created by us and the number grows every day.

Ease of use

A seasoned user of the community (by now) probably finds the process of finding, downloading, and playing a video and a matching script easy enough. You have your favorite script forum, video player, content site, and maybe even a favorite scripter. You know the tech well and can enjoy scripted content without too much fuss. Our experience as a company is that a lot of new Handy owners struggle with this. The service is an attempt to streamline and simplify this for Handy owners. One benefit of an online scripting database is to not have to use script files at all. In the near future, we imagine a scenario where you just click play on a video, and our system will automatically get a script to go with your video.

Ease interactivity adoption

In our experience, the threshold for many content sites (especially the smaller ones) to provide and invest in interactivity is too high. Either due do concerns related to the business side or lack of technical resources on their end. Our script database service and the accompanying APIs and utilities address some of these issues and should lower the bar to going interactive.

On the business side, existing content sites with interactivity support have different models. In most cases, one of the following:

  • Scripts are free to use and download
  • Scripts access requires one or more (additional) premium subscriptions with some kind of limit on the number of scripts and/or video downloads available over a subscription period

With the exception of the “free to use and download” model, all other variants try to limit the interactive experience to paying subscribers and avoid the case where a subscriber downloads all available content on day one and then leaves the service.

We feel that the existing non-free models reflect the limitations of the existing non-Handy devices out there and are not what some of the script providers might ideally want. The closed script model that can be enabled with the use of tokens addresses this specific issue. It should also reduce the chance of script piracy for script providers, something that is not just an issue for content sites but also professional scripters out there.

Open or closed scripts

The choice to provide closed or open scripts is up to the script provider. You can use tokens and get the benefits of ease of use while allowing your users to download the actual script content if you choose to. Nothing limits a script provider to one or the other.

Community projects

There are community projects that provide similar functionality to the script database. This service does not attempt to kill any of those projects or the community in general. As a company, however, we are a lot more restricted on the type of content we can provide or direct users toward in order to avoid any legal issues. Pirated content (video, script, etc.) or content found inappropriate for whatever reason are off-limits.

We might look into opening up the script database to community-made scripts if that is something the community wants. A scripter could then sign up and use the service to access and distribute their work, potentially also to non-Handy devices. We could also offer access to our internal toolchain and resources to help in the scripting process. However, keeping pirated or inappropriate content out of the index could be more challenging with external scripters.

Privacy

The only data exchanged between a partner site, and the service is the data required to play the correct script on the correct device (video/script identifier, device connection key). Partners also have the option to add an external identifier to identify the tokens they are issuing. The partner can control the validity of tokens through an API that gives them the ability to terminate, activate or extend the lifetime of a token. No other user data is collected from partner sites.

Statistics

We register usage statistics for scripts and videos that are part of the script database. These are aggregated numbers, and no statistics are collected or provided on individual-issued tokens. The statistics are available to all index users. A use-case for the collected statistics is to provide a play count for specific scripts/videos. The index could, for example, provide a list of the most popular scripts/videos, the same way view counts are used on content sites.

Free but closed source

Of all the listed scripts, 1400+ are currently free to use. The remaining are premium scripts for some specific partner sites that require subscriptions.

To some of the community members’ dismay, we have chosen to share the free scripts as tokens — that is, playable on your Handy, but not open to being read or modified. We are still figuring out what role the script database service should play in the future.

Even though we have progressed in speeding up script creation, there is still a lot of manual work in creating scripts. Creating a script is far from free. Until we have worked out if this is sustainable or how to make it so, we have chosen to protect the content we have created.

We have some ideas and goals, but exactly how and when to get there is unclear. If we open up the scripts now, we can’t undo that in the future. Keeping them closed source gives us more options as we advance. The service might be free with open scripts in a year, freemium, premium or discontinued. It all depends.

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So is this only for Handy users? what about Kiiroo Keon users who rely on funscripts? Is this site completely useless?

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Yes it’s scripts by handy for people with the handy. It makes sense as a place to point there customers towards to have more functionality. As far as im aware there is no way to convert the tokens to regular funscripts.

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Interactive sex toys are in their relative infancy. Open source file formats and scripting tools further innovation and creativity. I understand its a lucrative marketplace, but many invested in The Handy because it adopts a common standard, can be integrated with other toys and is flexible (bluetooth, api, firmware upgradable) in its design. I think its a great product and I hope Alex and Sweet Tech AS continue to embrace and develop open standards, support their customer base and innovate. DONT BE EVIL (shh Google).

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Anyone use this? What is the quality of scripts like?

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They certainly do not have the quality of a frame by frame script but they are not horrible. Certainly better, IMO, than the few scripts I tried out of Wankz’s and SLR’s AI programs.

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The scripts i’ve tried have all been decent. If you have a handy it’s really a no brainer, most of them are free (not naughty America) and they have VR and 2D. I wish there splash page told you when they add more scripts but the site is still in beta so i can let them off.

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I use scripts with my PC via scriptplayer… is there a tutorial on how to get these “token funscript” files to work that way?

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So I finally got around to giving IVDB and token scripts a shot and I have some opinions.

I tried a few from VRBangers, VRHush, BaDoinkVR, and FuckPassVR and the scripts themselves aren’t particularly good–at least compared to our cadre of experienced scripters here. Frequent problems with random bottom-drops and inconsistency with sync and length of stroke. Much of it feels automated with little QC.

A big bonus, however, is the range of scenes that are covered by scripts. There is some duplication (even within IVBD), but I’d say the majority haven’t been covered by SLR, RS, ES, GR, etc yet.

There’s some inconsistency with the availability of newer scenes. Granted, I did only a small sampling, but only FuckPassVR seems have made their newer scenes open for scripting. BaDoinkVR, VRHush, and VRBangers are mostly scenes from a couple years ago.

IMHO, the setup was a little vague. Probably mostly my shortcomings, but still. I had challenges getting the plugin working on browsers and had to switch back-n-forth. Edge and Chrome both hid the plugin in the ribbon so it looked like it wasn’t installed/enabled. For some reason I thought the videos had to be played on the studio sites so it took me a bit to try downloading and playing locally. I got it figured out now and I feel a little stupid for having the issues I did (hindsight’s a bitch).

One important note is that the VRHush, VRBangers, BadoinkVR, and FuckPassVR scripts I tried did NOT require me to have an active membership with those sites. I ran the scripts downloaded locally and renamed to match the downloaded vids and they worked fine. I also threw some them into the local Interactive folder and they played nicely with SLR-streamed vids.

My gut says that there may have been some lag streaming the script from Handy’s servers but I can’t be sure. It kinda felt like there were occasional dropped strokes that may have been the script trying to catch up, but it may have just been a bad part of the script.

Its unclear whether these “free” token scripts will eventually expire or not. My guess is that they’ll be there just as long as IVDB/Handy maintains the arrangement with the sites. But as we learned with SLR and VRBangers, those arrangements are subject to cancellation at any time.

Overall, though, it was a positive experience and I look forward to digging through and trying more of the IVDB scripts.

One addition note: the duration of some of the scenes are odd. In fact sometimes the same scene is offered on IVDB as multiple scripts with dramatically different durations. Sometimes they match the studio duration, sometimes not. And there were like 20% of the VRHush scripts that didnt match the duration on SLR at all. My guess is that IVDB is carrying scripts for both the original older scene and the re-release (“From the Vault”, etc). While SLR may or may not.

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Thanks for the feedback. If the sync is not spot on, it sounds like you are playing videos that do not match the video we have used for scripting. The mismatch in duration strengthens that theory. If the videos do not match, the script will feel off.

Could you explain “random bottom-drops and inconsistency with sync and length of stroke” would like for the scripters+QC to improve.

For simpler UX, you can use the browser plugin or a site with our open API, like adultsync.com. The same system has scripted all these videos.

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i have also been trying these scripts, so far mainly vrcosplayx scenes and i have been using the heresphere video player to play them and so far the scripts ive used have been solid, not completely perfect but better than povr scripts (which i find passable)

as far as i am concerned these scripts are again better than having nothing at all, and as stated there are ALOT of scripts on there for scenes that have not been done by any on here, which is always a massive plus,

i have actually managed to grab some scripts that i have wanted for a long time for scenes i have had on my hardrive for many years assuming it would never get scripted, so to have a passable script now is really cool, much appreciate the guys at handy for making these, please make alot more :smiley:

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When I have time, I’ll go back and find some specific examples. But for now I’ll try to explain.

“random bottom-drops”: this is when the Handy drops all the way down to the lowest position for no apparent reason. I understand that sometimes that may be used to reset when the actress’s hand changes position dramatically but, in these cases, the drops did not match with the action.

“inconsistency with sync”: in an otherwise in-sync script, actions will be out of sync for a period, then go back to sync. I’ve seen this with both on-the-fly and automated/AI scripting.

“inconsistency with…length of stroke”: quite a bit of full length strokes when the action was concentrated at the head. Also the reverse: shallow strokes near the top when the action was deep and full. I understand that there’s some “artistic license” involved and I support maximizing the interpretation of stroke length, but these were immersion-breaking.

And thanks for the pointer to adultsync.com. I’ll check it out.

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I got it, thanks.

I will send the feedback to the scripting team. The scripts are not perfect, but I think we are getting there in terms of quality. Any feedback is highly welcomed so we can improve:-)