1700 script index on Handy Feeling (Beta)

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Along a similar lines of rockyscott’s ask, my biggest issue comes down to my personal choices, and that is, I generally don’t like pornhub as they butcher scenes and can tend to be on the low quality side, and true to my username, I have bad eyes.

Now for my gripe, so just today or yesterday a Kylie Quinn script was released (Script index)

Now this file is a 4 second edit off of the source file Entertain Me over at TeamSkeet, and I have a much more qualitative version of this scene on my NAS from a prior sub, but I can’t use it because of that offset. Is there any chance when the scene is almost an exact copy you can true it up to the OG source as well and offer that as an option?

This might gain more user traction when people see actual TeamSkeet, BrattySis, and similar content, which you kind of are already offering, it’s just hidden under the pornhub category.

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I think the oculus browser has had an update, so you can use Handyfeeling there. You also can use Heresphere and pigasus VR player to play the script tokens and the videos.

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We do not want to encourage piracy, but we can start scripting other studios like TeamSkeet and BrattySis. If you want to help, reach out to them and encourage them to integrate with us:-) We will create scripts and make their sites interactive.

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Since investors is mentioned this is definitely going to have a fee in the future. Yet another subscription! and there is DRM, and scripts are limited to what their “scripting partner” creates. No 3rd party tools No community, No offline support, Nothing.

All 3 of these are solved problems. Just load a different script. except there is no archive and scripts can be taken down at any time or changed without warning.

Until investors see the value in a walled garden.

That can easily be updated to track more information. Some pages already use the connection key as a password, which can be tied back so a serial number. Also goes back to investors wanting to squeeze value out.

Why? Just send the whole script. its not like they are big files.

With this you cant use scripts on multiple devices simultaneously, like a handy and a buttplug.

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From your own site: (also linked way up at the start of this topic)

  • Script tokens give potential partners DRM to prevent downloading everything and cancel the subscription. The token will only be valid for the length of the subscription. To set the token expiration date is an optional feature that we give to partners that pay us to script their videos.

So you are hedging here… “We get no user information from NA or other partners.”
Yes, but you get subscription expiration AT minimum, and depending on how it’s implemented, perhaps not so minimum. Is that a hard coded date of expiration? That makes little sense: I get a script ‘token’ from a partner, they put an expiration of next month into my token? That means the script is useless next month EVEN If I’ve renewed? You just said “No need to redownload the token” but in this scenario, you’d have to monthly, or whatever. I doubt that, so more likely, you have a ‘subscription id’ that can be checked against the partner, yes? So technically, it’s not ‘user information’, it’s subscription information, yes? Are you word smithing here?

My position is clear: this is BAD for community, overall. It’s bogus NON functional scripts that can only be used by Handy users, meaning anyone with another product (selfbuilt OSR2, or something purchased, or something we can’t imagine yet), gets ZERO usage, and so you are sucking the air out of the userspace. Why would someone bother to script up Scene X if you are doing it already, and getting the Studio /Partner to work with you, meaning they have zero incentive to do anything else or work with others, or just allow it to be done. (SLR is now allowing PMV editors to make fresh remix content with their Originals. That’s the right direction things should be moving)

You are trying to make money, I see that. You have the right to do so, and the free and open community IS BUYING your product because it’s working with the community. You are moving in the wrong direction here, and at some point, it’ll be clearer to folks that you are trying to control the community, ruin the editor space, and create a Handy monopoly where new products aren’t likely to start up because you’ve dominated what was a free and open space. As I said, shame on you. You can do it. That doesn’t mean you SHOULD be doing it.

BTW, I bought my Handy in the last 90 days or so… I wanted to check this all out. I liked what I discovered. I also learned how your centralized server failures make the Handy unusable with scripts, the long delays on solving issues like handsfree mounting (pretty essential, honestly), and the more I see, the more I wish I’d bought/built a SR6 etc… and I wouldn’t encourage anyone to purchase a Handy now, given the reality, DESPITE the enjoyment I find from the product when used with the many scripts this community has produced.

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That’s probably the goal with this walled garden approach. Lock out everyone else

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Yes, and, like all walled gardens, it won’t actually work. They have to send the actual script to a Handy. So all it will take is hacking the firmware, or emulation, or any method that fools the server into sending the position script, and it’s unlocked, and THEN there is no incentive to not share it… so a pirate script trading community will arise, which will HARM the current hardworking scripters on gumroad etc…

Nobody wins from this. And rest assured, Handy will lose in the end. They could have embraced the open source approach and they’d have people throwing money at them. Make it standalone and not dependent on a central server. Make a legit commercial multiaxis device, and bring it to market… Get the community creating content, and build partnerships with studios explaining that fresh content and subscriptions will rise, IF they embrace the script community and make content geared to scripting…

But… short sightedness. I hope they wake up.

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this is all true but you can do this with mp4 its just that people dont seem to ever do it with mp4 probably because its not as easy to do. at least i know different audio and subs can be done idk about scripts embedded in video itself

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while ‘technically’ doable, there are many reasons why embedding scripts wouldnt be a good idea. If nothing else, the script contents could be open and free, and the video might not be.

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Custom firmware would be awesome. Unlock local websockets and re-add the ability to setup without an app or chrome, add mdns discovery for auto connecting locally, add built in support for random stroker

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Ok im getting pissed off that these threads get hijacked to be about the merits of piracy every time. Handy are starting a service for their users. They owe you fuck all. If they want to make their scripts only work on their device they can. I’m not boycotting God of War Ragnarok because it’s Playstation exclusive.

I also find it a bit rich the people talking about it killing the community have never posted a script themselves or contributed to the community apart from complaining that the “free scripts” aren’t how they want them.

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If the handy team want to make their scripts only work on their devices through a DRM system, they can. If others find this practice vomit inducing and want to voice their displeasure, they can. In instances such as this, scathing feedback is deserved and should be expected.

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I guess I see it differently. To boil it down Handy have said here’s over 1000 scripts for our customers in one convenient place and people have complained that they can only be used on the handy, that the cant be edited and have made vague complaints about privacy which were answered and then ignored.

I get complaining about the expiry on scripts you sub for. You can see from my previous comments that I am not a fan of the Naughty America/Dream Lover model and have said as much. I also complained about SLR when it had policies that were anti consumer but they are both paid services. No company has produced scripts completely for free to my knowledge. CzechVR and Wankz required a sub to there main channel.

If people wish to discuss the merits of piracy or how it can be done i would suggest the post from the company your trying to rip off is not the best place. Feedback is good if it’s constructive but lets be honest with ourselves not all of it has been.

You want scripts to be Free, accurate and plentiful. Pick two becuase your not gonna get all three.

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Actually you entirely misunderstood. I’m NOT advocating for piracy, I’m saying the walled garden approach will cause Piracy. Very different.

Go back and release your bias and try again.

Oh, and for the record, the original post isn’t “from the company”. Just one more mistatement you make.

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Good to see we’ve got to the argueing in bad faith part of the discussion. Releasing my bias I will point out you used the phrase “free the code” in one of your posts which certainly hints at a pro-piracy view point. Secondly Handyalexander has posted repeatedly in this thread. They may not have started the thread but they’re sure as hell engaged.

And while I was avoiding calling specific people out in my earlier posts I will merely point out that Handy have lauched a site with over 1000 free scripts, made and sold the most commonly used device for this niche hobby of ours and appear to be working with VR sites to make scripts more mainstream.

You on the otherhand Scruffynerf appear to have made 0 scripts, made zero original posts, never replied to posts asking for help or tech support, never left a post praising a scripters previous work and in the two years or so you have been registered on here given out a total of 6 likes.

You came in stating your opinions as fact having done zero research, claiming handy are harvesting your data and when people explained (including handy) that it wasn’t true, are still claiming it.

If you want this to be a strong vibrant community, contribute to it. If you want the scripts to be playable on other devices for yourself you can do that with zero coding experience. You need a smartphone camera, a small piece of paper and open funscripter. It takes a little bit of effort but its not difficult.

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Yup, clearly the bad faith portion. I specifically said I got a handy about 3 months ago. I have been in the PMV scene for quite a while, behind the scenes, but active on Discord, for example and I didn’t post here before because I didn’t own a device and joined here out of curiosity way back when, till recently.

But hey, I did my research, and you clearly didn’t, You are the one in bad faith. Done.

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I’ve read enough in this thread to see my opinion.
I will devoutly repeat myself from another thread.

I am pro-piracy.
I believe that piracy is and should be a primary competitor in a real free market.

That being said, I think people are a bit too paranoid about this DRM scheme, if you can even call it that.
I think SweetTech used the DRM term to satisfy investors. It’s significantly less invasive than something like Denuvo.
All this is, is obfuscating sections of the script at a time. This is essentially exactly what video sites do (blobbed streaming). Calling it DRM is a stretch IMO.

The final nail in the coffin for me from right from the handy site

However, script tokens are not a replacement for regular scripts – we will support both.

They are actually telling you that they’re innovating a technology that will make your scripts load near instantly and you can still use your own scripts.

Why are you complaining?

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exactly. they were offered free cake at a birthday party and Threw it on the ground.

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the personal attacks, and HandyAlexander liking it are why I know I’m right, and you’ll see. But hey, you want the poisoned pill, take it.

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We have seen some concerns in the community regarding the release of our script database service (new URL: ivdb.io), and it’s use of “script tokens”. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the confusion and explain the rationale behind it.

We have been scripting videos for 1.5+ year now. In that period, we learned a lot about creating scripts, onboarding content sites to the interactive space, and challenges facing users who want to enjoy scripted content. As a result, we have created tools and processes to improve all of the aforementioned issues. We are closing in on 2000 scripts created by us and the number grows every day.

Ease of use

A seasoned user of the community (by now) probably finds the process of finding, downloading, and playing a video and a matching script easy enough. You have your favorite script forum, video player, content site, and maybe even a favorite scripter. You know the tech well and can enjoy scripted content without too much fuss. Our experience as a company is that a lot of new Handy owners struggle with this. The service is an attempt to streamline and simplify this for Handy owners. One benefit of an online scripting database is to not have to use script files at all. In the near future, we imagine a scenario where you just click play on a video, and our system will automatically get a script to go with your video.

Ease interactivity adoption

In our experience, the threshold for many content sites (especially the smaller ones) to provide and invest in interactivity is too high. Either due do concerns related to the business side or lack of technical resources on their end. Our script database service and the accompanying APIs and utilities address some of these issues and should lower the bar to going interactive.

On the business side, existing content sites with interactivity support have different models. In most cases, one of the following:

  • Scripts are free to use and download
  • Scripts access requires one or more (additional) premium subscriptions with some kind of limit on the number of scripts and/or video downloads available over a subscription period

With the exception of the “free to use and download” model, all other variants try to limit the interactive experience to paying subscribers and avoid the case where a subscriber downloads all available content on day one and then leaves the service.

We feel that the existing non-free models reflect the limitations of the existing non-Handy devices out there and are not what some of the script providers might ideally want. The closed script model that can be enabled with the use of tokens addresses this specific issue. It should also reduce the chance of script piracy for script providers, something that is not just an issue for content sites but also professional scripters out there.

Open or closed scripts

The choice to provide closed or open scripts is up to the script provider. You can use tokens and get the benefits of ease of use while allowing your users to download the actual script content if you choose to. Nothing limits a script provider to one or the other.

Community projects

There are community projects that provide similar functionality to the script database. This service does not attempt to kill any of those projects or the community in general. As a company, however, we are a lot more restricted on the type of content we can provide or direct users toward in order to avoid any legal issues. Pirated content (video, script, etc.) or content found inappropriate for whatever reason are off-limits.

We might look into opening up the script database to community-made scripts if that is something the community wants. A scripter could then sign up and use the service to access and distribute their work, potentially also to non-Handy devices. We could also offer access to our internal toolchain and resources to help in the scripting process. However, keeping pirated or inappropriate content out of the index could be more challenging with external scripters.

Privacy

The only data exchanged between a partner site, and the service is the data required to play the correct script on the correct device (video/script identifier, device connection key). Partners also have the option to add an external identifier to identify the tokens they are issuing. The partner can control the validity of tokens through an API that gives them the ability to terminate, activate or extend the lifetime of a token. No other user data is collected from partner sites.

Statistics

We register usage statistics for scripts and videos that are part of the script database. These are aggregated numbers, and no statistics are collected or provided on individual-issued tokens. The statistics are available to all index users. A use-case for the collected statistics is to provide a play count for specific scripts/videos. The index could, for example, provide a list of the most popular scripts/videos, the same way view counts are used on content sites.

Free but closed source

Of all the listed scripts, 1400+ are currently free to use. The remaining are premium scripts for some specific partner sites that require subscriptions.

To some of the community members’ dismay, we have chosen to share the free scripts as tokens — that is, playable on your Handy, but not open to being read or modified. We are still figuring out what role the script database service should play in the future.

Even though we have progressed in speeding up script creation, there is still a lot of manual work in creating scripts. Creating a script is far from free. Until we have worked out if this is sustainable or how to make it so, we have chosen to protect the content we have created.

We have some ideas and goals, but exactly how and when to get there is unclear. If we open up the scripts now, we can’t undo that in the future. Keeping them closed source gives us more options as we advance. The service might be free with open scripts in a year, freemium, premium or discontinued. It all depends.

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