Since we are banning drawn depictions of boys and girls, I’d also like to vote for a total ban on rape scripts and bestiality. I find it gross seeing dogs having sex with humans on the front page. Also, include incest in that ban as well. There’s nothing weirder than a grown man lusting after a pretend version of his mommy.
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These criteria only address visual content.
Loli/shota scripts (and audio files) do not have visuals of prepubescent proportions, features, or scenarios, and therefore pass the criteria. So it follows that they will still be ok to post as long as no offending visual content is included. Is that actually the case? If so, why are hundreds of topics being removed, instead of pruned of visual content?
If you’re going to ban this stuff, ban it, I don’t care that much. I don’t really make or use these scripts. But be absolutely clear without a shadow of a doubt about what content is and is not allowed on the site. What I do care about is clear communication from the mod team. Ambiguity leads to misunderstanding, which leads to animosity.
Mods, please update the criteria with more specific mention of ALL types of content uploaded in posts:
- Scripts
- Audio files
- Links to offending content hosted externally
- Identifiers for offending content (Title, Author, Video Length, etc.)
- Discussion of offending content
The way the criteria are currently, making loli/shota posts isn’t prohibited in a meaningful way; the only differences will be that they will not have visuals, and that they won’t be tagged. Scripts and audio files have no visual content, they can be included. You could make an argument that download links to offending content may not be allowed under the current criteria (weak imo, but w/e), you can just put the author, title, and video length so people can find it themselves, and type out a description as a preview.
Tagging the mods who I have seen posting here for visibility: @hugecat @Falafel @VladTheImplier
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Is it July 6?
Because that’s when new topics with the tags or content will no longer be allowed.
work doesnt have to stop on in progress scripts just because of this
The way I see it, is that the site owners have gotten the idea to simply turn this site into a for profit script hosting platform, and are just taking the final steps to clean shop for the payment service providers.
Why host posts for people who just link to their gumroad(RIP) or patreon for paid scripts and direct money there, when you could just host the scripts locally and take a slice of the cake yourself?
GWA tried something similar few weeks ago and the mods over there got sent to the shadow realm for it. But this could be just my extremely tight tinfoil hat speaking.
In the end it is what it is.
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I’d say the tinfoil hat.
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Thank you for your valuable feedback. I want to clarify upfront that I’m writing this to foster constructive discussion.
I understand that regulations are necessary measures to sustain the site. If that’s the case, then all posts containing links that infringe copyright should also be deleted.
Is it acceptable to ban lolicon and shotacon while allowing posts with copyright-infringing links? I consider this a double standard.
Additionally, if lolicon and shotacon are banned, I believe that rape, bestiality, incest, and furry content in Hentai should also be regulated.
However, personally, I do not agree with banning lolicon, shotacon, rape, bestiality, incest, and furry content. This is because they are fictional. If the argument is that these creations violate morals and should be regulated, I cannot accept that rationale. They are just drawings.
The moderator stated, “Visuals depicting prepubescent features, characteristics, or scenarios are not allowed. However, due to the fictional nature, there are always exceptional cases. Ultimately, moderators will make the final decision.”
In Japan, lolicon content sold explicitly states in the descriptions that characters are over 18, even if they appear prepubescent in visuals and scenarios. Additionally, how would fictional races like elves, which are not human, be judged? The only difference from humans is whether they have significantly longer lifespans and longer ears.
I do not agree with moderators having the final say. Clear standards are necessary.
Alternatively, should we interpret these measures as regulations being applied but with a gray area going forward?
I perceive these regulations as censorship, hence my use of the term ‘violation of freedom of expression’
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If you are alright with taking on that legal risk for yourself, that’s your decision.
We have decided that we’re no longer comfortable taking that risk on. And we are not obligated to host content we are not comfortable hosting even if you are.
Again, we are not doing this because we have a particular preference, but out of risk mitigation.
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this is why i think its fine to just host the content elsewhere and only host scripts here. the thing you’ve already always been doing lol…
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Oops. Did I perhaps take regulations too seriously? If so, is it correct to understand that posts consisting only of text and links are not problematic?
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also you’re already “hosting” furry shit and i think that makes people more uncomfortable tbh.
best course of action overall other than this pointless ban would be to also make everything “controversial” opt in. not just as an option but as a requirement.
You should make furry shit and other stuff like it Opt in. if you want more people to stop being turned away from the site. not just for legal reasons. (probably)
and then you could also make it so any time someone makes a post it has to be looked at by a mod first. as annoying as that would be.
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@hugecat Please tell us, is this ban due to any specific notices you’ve gotten from cloudflare or AWS?
Or are you doing this purely for risk mitigation and you and the mod team have specifically singled out only loli content?
@smeedler hit the nail on the head when he said
We just want more transparency if you’re going to go through with a decision that has huge implications, and a huge part of the community is upset about. Don’t forget, there’s still a large portion of users who don’t care for loli content, but would rather nothing be censored.
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i mean ur not wrong half the community if the poll that someone made is to be taken into account. dislike this decision.
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I feel like you missed a few points made in the comments above.
The admins are not banning loli because they perceive it as immoral. They have to comply with the U.S. law as that’s where the site is being hosted.
Nobody is accusing lolicon as being actual child porn, but it being fictional does not stop it from being considered obscene, which is the central concern here.
Do acknowledge that laws differ across borders. Japanese law will not save Hugecat in the court, if not suing him further for hosting drawings of reproductive organs that is not behind layers of mosaic and black bars.
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Thank you for your reply. I apologize for my limited understanding of the site’s policies due to English not being my native language.
I understand that under U.S. law, even 2D lolicon and shotacon content faces stringent regulations. I also understand that content related to rape, bestiality, incest, and furry lacks clear legal regulations. Additionally, I have studied the existence of Obscenity Laws.
However, if site regulations are to comply with U.S. law, hosting links that infringe copyright should not be legally permissible. The United States has the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which should address this. Please provide an explanation.
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the DMCA argument does make sense, from a litigious standpoint. but at this point in the history of publicly-available copywritten content, there’s no moral obligation for a regular DMCA takedown. its almost entirely left up to someone to report it, and not the actions of an active agency. Also there’s WAYYY more content under DMCA protection than porn, so it’s just too monumental of a task to tackle, as opposed to a smaller niche on a set of smaller sites with international users, making any real litigation weirdly difficult.
It’s infinitely easier to rally behind banning loli content because there’s an easily perceived victim to the public. whether or not its legal and abundant in another country, whether or not the argument is sound. Unfortunately, in the US we had a legislative period with a bunch of pearl-clutching conservative hypocrites that hate sex (or the fact they just weren’t getting any), so they have to ruin it for every other free citizen.
to simplify it:
hosting companies might see DMCA content being posted but not think twice, since its just more clicks/site views, and stupid hard to enforce copyright.
but if they see anything even REMOTELY approaching loli/shota, that plug gets pulled so goddamn fast ONLY because of how contested it is. again, risk mitigation, not a moral censorship.
i appreciate the discussion, but i feel like personal preference is fogging the reality of how websites and hosting work.
Y_D 
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