i do wish hmv mania had a tagging system
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Please keep the discussion on topic.
To reiterate - the ban is due to legal concerns, not to gain the moral high ground of sorts.
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Exactly, it’s one thing saying “Okay, yeah, I understand why it has to be done” (God knows I’ve been having a long conflict with compliance like on SLR)
But I’m seeing people high fiving and pretty much salivating at the idea of FINALLY getting rid of a genre of content they feel “yucky” and acting like they’re paragons of morality because they find said genre “yucky”
Bro, what the f…
Okay, no, seriously. This is to be the hardest cop out and most disingenuous answer I’ve got here yet.
Anyway…
Yeah, I “get” why ES has to do it but I’m not happy at the censorship and at seeing people’s masks fall off. I thought everyone here was enough of a degenerate to undestand the whole canary in a coal mine thing.
Alright, alright. I’ll stop pouring oil on the fire and replying here. Clearly it’s just puritans (on a porn forum 
) having a victory lap at this point.
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On that note, from the poll topic (VOTE to show your opinion on Loli/Shota Ban) is already showing that a clear majority of people prefer the ban on content over the site going bye bye. (despite not liking the ban) Although some are saying they’re going to leave and some also to want the criteria to be changed/clearer, most seem are fine with how it is right now.
That’s my guess interpretation of the results so far as can easily change.
Would it not be better to just require scripts under these tags to not post links/previews? I mean aren’t funscripts just fancy csv files? Would be kind of a waste to outright delete them if they themselves don’t have material that would cause alarm.
If the titles are a concern, wouldn’t just “[artist name] - (character name if there is one) - (date of release)” work?
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I’ve voiced support for LO content before, and I still do, but I also understand and respect the decision of the team.
If getting rid of LO is to secure the future of this site, then that is how it’s gotta be…
Even if the site were to be hosted in a place where LO is 100% halal, there could still be risks for users who live where LO is haram. Of course one can blame that on their own brazenness, but I doubt the ES team would sleep soundly knowing that one of our community is in trouble because of the site.
What we need to do now I to figure out an alternative for such content instead of uselessly fighting a decision that was made after endless internal debates.
I would suggest an existing forum that is ok with LO. Maybe one with Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms?
If there isn’t an alternative then it is for someone of us to put their money where their mouth is and start hosting their own site. Easier said than done, but I am sure some of you are foolhardy enough to try it out.
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Ban is due to site risk of it existing/linked to the site so hiding media would do nothing to negate the risk.
But there wouldn’t be anything linked on this site. What would be the rationale there? That the thread acknowledges that stuff exists? I assume this thread we’re in won’t be wiped on the same grounds.
Comparing this to acting is disingenuous. Acting out something illegal/immoral is done with consent of actors. Underage persons can’t give consent for this type of content.
The ban is for prepubescent depictions, so actors who are able to consent, and any depictions of such (that are “not real” because they are cartoons, but are still depicting a man or a woman, not a child, in a context only consenting persons should be depicted in) are not affected.
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I believe it’s following the rational of that it’s best to just outright say nope instead of go halfway and then have to go outright nope later down the line or not even have the chance to do so. Similar to why torrent stuff is just outright nope.
I’m guessing though as I’m just a user like yourself saying my interpretation on what I’ve understood that’s been said along with past policy stuff.
That’s stupid and makes no sense. What if an actor is acting as a underage person? There’s literally JAV videos on this website with adult women acting as loli characters. No one in a cartoon can give consent. They don’t exist.
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Did you refer CP content to yucky? Seriously Rianabi. Please find a different hill to die on. Stop defending and arguing that children being sexualized should be okay in any art form.
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Grown ups are allowed to act, it is freedom of expression. They can do that. I dont see how is that an argument.
Maybe I am ignorant because I never looked into the content, but I am pretty sure that healthy and consenting grown ups can’t ever successfully depict a prepubescent child, their acting can only pass as “underage woman” or “underage man” and not a child. This new rule seems to be fully in line with that (with “prepubescent” definition). It is not stupid and makes sense, acting is also not real, so nothing is real but it depicts something real.
In the end, people responsible for the site decided how to run it. I only care about it if I will share scripts I create here, and I like the change since more people who were not comfortable with being here before might do the same and contribute something too.
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Debating morality does not change the legal status. At least not debating here.
If you feel strongly about this then go out and vote or run for office.
I’ll reiterate what I said before: Now is the time to look for alternatives rather than bemoan the team’s decision.
Yeah the Staff isn’t going to reverse the ban, they’ve made that clear, at most they might further clarify the criteria but they’re trying to keep the site running rather than have it die by being too lax.
Disagree? Door’s over there no? Go make your own site.
This site currently directly links to a bunch of pirated scenes. It’d be an even less of a direct connection than that.
guys stop arguing about bs this post isn’t the place for that
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Those links I can only presume have been determined to not be of risk compared to these specific ones.
Again this is my interpretation of what I’ve seen/read, being that strictly nope, not allowed on here anymore, no ifs, ands or buts. If you want to shift this then you can only message the staff about it I presume.
I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass seemingly hasty decision, I’ve elected to ignore critique in the currently open discussion thread on the topic.
Seemingly throwing away a bunch of work people have done because of a rule change feels wrong. Especially when said work are fancy csv files that don’t fit the criteria of the banned material on their own.
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There are two things happening in this thread:
- users focusing on what this decision means for funscripters and the safety of the site and its staff given its hosting situation/architecture.
- users debating their own opinions of the content in question, outside of the site staff decision.
What would be more productive for other people here is what forward path to take given the current circumstances. I’ve given an alternative here, and site staff and users here can continue having discussions on how to handle things.
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