I’m more than happy to pay for porn so I don’t really care about the #paid-media tag personally, but my assumption was that some people who don’t want to pay for porn could easily filter out posts based on that tag. I’m a bit confused why anyone’s mad at that tag as if it means “pirated links wanted”. Seems the issue has less to do with the tag itself and more to do with people sharing links in posts where they shouldn’t. I’m cool with all your proposed ideas though if that’s the way we want to go.
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I would add to that:
- no scripts / links begging - maybe allow one comment asking for free link. There is no need for multiple people to ask the same question in a row. If there is no answer than you kinda have to accept you won’t get it or you need to find it yourself.
Personally, I would also add some rule about asking scripter in DMs for Mega or link. It’s ridiculous.
And on top of that, people who post free links should check them beforehand. It’s crazy that you can put multiple hours into the script, but someone will start posting every single link from google without even spending a minute to check it.
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Personally, I save free scripts for videos I think I am going to enjoy, and then once i have 5-10 for a paid site, I just sub for a month and download them. I used to do free links, but I feel like i get much better video quality now. This has been extremely obvious since i picked up my Quest 2.
SLR stays on subscription though. I have their student discount.
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Can we please not start banning people for being helpful? Can we please also not ban people when they’re not violating any site-wide rules?
@hugecat Topic creators should be able to make whatever requests they like, and I hope it’s clear from my own activity on the site that I encourage others at least by example to be respectful, polite, and positive, but do you also want those members to have the ability to restrict the speech of other members? If so, then will that help the site grow? Policies that limit member activity would seem to be counterproductive. This is all quite puzzling since there are countless posts and topics begging members to be more active and engaged with the site. There are already two examples of the site contracting in the comments above:
If ultimately the decision is made to change the site-wide rules to no longer allow members to share information on where they found their sources, then we all know that the site will suffer a great contraction. Eventually it will probably wither and die as a more open competitor takes its place. If nothing else, it’s going to send a lot of members, former members, and potential members over to the script streaming sites. Again, this is puzzling because there are countless posts begging members not to shift their activity from EroScripts over to other sites. This would just be a massive own goal considering the site does not host any videos.
I keep seeing members saying they’re not getting enough likes, they’re not getting enough comments, but then some advocate for rules and regulations that limit engagement with their own scripts. It makes no sense. There are far better, and more positive, ways to increase and improve member engagement.
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We seem to have this debate every few months and it gets derailed a bit. Most people dont care about links being posted in general. Some creators would prefer that there not posted on their scripts. They say this in their post and it should be honoured.
Some people are just rude and lazy and can’t be bothered either spending a few minutes looking for the video themselves or writing a polite message asking for links. It’s a minority to be sure but as most people are lurkers first you only see the vocal minority.
As a community we have kind of decided on best practice and most people follow that and bringing out the ban hammer is probably overkill. Some people who dont follow it may be new or may not have English as their first language.
Some people are always gonna be dicks but they won’t bother reading this anyway.
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not sure if I didn’t come across clearly?
I’m not saying to ban all free links. Just enforce removing them in topics where the scripter explicitly says not to.
And added clarity that by default, free links are totally fine, minus the previous exception.
we also have not really heard from anyone who includes the #paid-media tag and requests no links. Would like to get their opinions too
FWIW I think there is two ways to use the paid media tag.
It’s only used when scripters specifically do not want free-links posted. Members will have deal with the fact that they may not find a free link when there is no paid-media tag.
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The paid-media tag is always used. But in this case, I don’t feel it’s fair for mods or the OP to have to go back to remove the tag if someone does post a free link. Members will have to deal with the fact that they may miss free scripts with free links under the paid-media tag.
The choice should be made by scripters.
No, you were very clear @hugecat, but as often is the case I probably was not.
I’m trying to follow the logic all the way to its end with enforcing a “no free links” request (and by extension the usefulness of the paid-media tag). First, I just really don’t want this to become the kind of place that bans people except for the very worst offenses, and I don’t think a link to an overly compressed 720p VR video from Porntrex qualifies. I’m also saying that if someone posts a link in the comments when the topic creator has made such a request, that member has not violated any of the site-wide rules so they and their post should be protected. If those posts are going to be taken down, or that member is going to face consequences, then it’s only fair that the site-wide rules be amended to make this clear. If they’re going to be amended, then I can only see one of two ways that can go which is that all discussion on free links is banned or the post creator has authority to restrict the speech of members that wish to participate in their post. The first option is obviously bad and untenable, but I’m legitimately asking if the second option is what you want for the site. For the reasons I’ve laid out previously (and full disclosure I’m of the opinion of just leaving people alone and generally letting them do what they want), I can’t envision how enforcing this request would be good for the growth of the site, the members, or even the topic creator themselves who made such a request.
What I’m seeing more often is that the paid-media tag and “no free links” request is creating confusion and having a chilling effect on members that aren’t participating or members who just aren’t participating as much as they would like. This confusion and chilling effect is not just happening in the paid-media tag or “no free links” posts, but is carrying over into other areas of the site.
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This is why a little patience and compassion can go a long way, and it’s so important to assume the best of intentions in people here. When someone just says, “Free link?” yeah they might be a demanding prick, but they could also be doing their best participating in a majority English speaking community as a non-English speaker. Either way, it removes no skin off our dicks/clits to be kind to them anyway.
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Exactly this.
Bottom line is, if the admins/mods don’t want to allow it, THEY enforce it, not us…so if they don’t enforce it, see a problem with it, putting no free links pls is pointless, a waste of time and no skin of any ops nose either way…unless as I said before, they are making money out of it. So yeah, it’s a site wide rule or it isn’t, if it isn’t…no one can demand anything.
As for the tag…it highlights it’s a paid for video and not on Spank,PH etc etc. Still don’t see a issue with a link being posted…UNLESS the admins/mods stop allowing it. But really, a classic case is the recent Jenni Lee video posted. You think sites like PH, Spankbang, XHamster etc etc paid her or the production company? Or let’s take the Melissa Moore POV BJ video…oh it’s on SB…so it’s fine. Be serious…so where do you draw the line? Unless it’s purely amateur stuff, uploaded by said amateur, ALL porn was paid media at some point…so for those whining about piracy, you think the fact those vids are ‘x’ years old makes a difference to the fact they are still copyrighted material? Some people are just hypocrites.
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I dont think thats the point. Maybe some see it that way. Imo, its better to see the tag as mostly respecting the creator’s decision to just post the official link where they can get it and will not upload or post free links. It defeats the purpose of the tag when people bug the creator, begging them for links and the comments become a nonstop conversation asking for links, asking if the links are compatible. And then reposting links thst they adjusted thst works for the script etc. And at the end of the day, thats the extent of the conversation. No talks about the script themselves.
When i make scripts, i felt compelled to provide the video source. If i got the source directly from the official porn sites, i get nervous hosting them on mega because then my account becomes liable to the whims of big porn(lol). Plus i felt compelled to upgrade my mega for when i script more stuff. Dont blame that on anyone though because i did that choice on my own. But then by doing so, I delete or move files around in the mega, there will be follow up messages or questions.
To future proof that, i too then feel obliged to find alternate links and adjust scripts to match em. But then they get taken down deleted and reuploaded all the time and the links become useless. Theres so much effort to do all those. I think the paid media should be a safe haven tag to some creators who don’t want to deal with that and just want to script and have constructive comments in their comment section.
But you basically said in your previous post that you almost never look into the posts tagged as paid-media. The whole reason I made this conversation was to make it clear what this tag means, if it only means the OP links to the paid source I think it’s better to make a set of rules for post naming and let users decide if they want to check comments for links or not.
If the decision is for the tag to only mean the links in the OP are for paid source than so be it, just would be nice to make it clear what it exactly means, because right now it means nothing and is not used properly. We’ve had a pornhub tag at some point and we get rid of it, I don’t see a reason why we shouldn’t get rid of the paid media / direct-dl tags and focus on tagging just the video / script itself.
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What I actually said, not that I don’t/rarely look at them. That’s all the tag means ‘to me’…that there most likely isn’t a free link, I actually couldn’t care less if there is or not and care even less if someone says don’t post them…because there is no site admin set rule on it.
My point is again, it’s hypocritical (from a few certain members) who complain about piracy) or use it as an excuse) when 95% on here links to pirated content…get my point? Saying ‘don’t post links’ is utterly moot and matters nothing to any particular op…unless they make money out of the video.
But going back off topic again (though the two go hand in hand)…I have no clue what the tag should mean or does mean, I can only say what it means to me, and I still agree with your all your points, enforce something site wide by the admins, or get rid of it as a pointless unnecessary tag.
In terms of the whole piracy issue (and some folks concerns re this sites long term future)…remove all links completely, done, problem solved, no piracy or promoting it concerns at all. Get the script for free, as long as all the relevant info included in the title or post, be very easy to find the video, paid source or otherwise. Probably be the end of the site though because many folk are lazy fucks (a topic in another recent post lol).
You say that you waste your time by looking at posts with wrong tags or without free links. But isn’t it the same for scripters who in 90% cases read comments only related to sharing links? Would be nice to put yourself in someone’s else shoes too from time to time. I think it’s important to find a balance that satisfies all and adds to the community. For me it would be limiting the free links requests to 1 comment per month and making a clear set of rules what certain tags mean.
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ehhh sort of. There’s only a couple mods and it is not feasible nor reasonable to police every single post 24/7. Discourse was built specifically so that users can flag posts to bring attention to mods, flag enough and it automatically gets hidden, or give power to higher level users to have mod-like power.
I do agree that clarity of tags and rules would help.
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As others have said the paid-media tag means OP has made paid media available in their original post. That seems pretty cut and dry to me. Now is it useful? I don’t know. Probably to some people. Right now it does not mean that there can be no free links in the comments because the site does not have an official policy on restricting that information. If that changes and then that’s what that tag comes to mean, then it will be very useful because then members would have a clearer reason to block that tag.
@Husky As far as allowing free links goes, I understand now that the issue is that it’s causing you to get too many comments in your posts and you would like to streamline your notifications. You can always mute/unmute your own posts. I propose a further suggestion that I hope to be helpful below.
@hugecat Since it sounds like some of the more popular scripters are actually getting too many comments, we might be able to resolve this whole “no free links” issue by adding some additional options to the watching/tracking/muting feature at the end of each post. By adding “mute for one day/one week/one month/forever” options, OPs who are getting too many comments could take a break from their post and choose a time when they’re ready to check back in on it.
I’m gonna use this discussion as a springboard to complain about tagging. Some of these might be unfixable because of Discourse’s limitations, sorry if that’s the case.
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Does Discourse support tag definitions? I don’t mean making a stickied post with definitions, but showing them when you search the tag, for example on the page https://discuss.eroscripts.com/tag/action. I’m not really sure if #action is different from #action-based, or #music from #audio-based. There’s also stuff like #cockhero and #cock-hero both being tags (the latter isn’t used much, but it’s still used waaay more than it should be).
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If a topic matches both a tag you’re muting AND a tag you’re following, it still shows up in your notifications: Muting Tags to mute new topic with said tags. A tag whose only purpose is to be muted is probably not going to be super useful as long as this is the case.
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Allowing more people to add tags to stuff, and being able to track their edits, would probably help make sure tags are actually used. Think of Wikipedia, where anyone can make changes, but also it’s easy to see edits to a page and edits by a user (and restrict editing privileges). I don’t necessarily think EroScripts should allow EVERYONE to edit, but I think it could afford to move a bit in that direction. My pet peeve is all the MMD videos not tagged #mmd - see https://discuss.eroscripts.com/search?q=mmd%20%23scripts%20order%3Alatest. Although it’s not like I could completely mute them anyway, because of the previous complaint.
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I’m in the same boat. Same thing with creating links with script packs. Communities like milovana don’t have a problem when someone reshares other’s work. Here, you have to create a list of scripts and let people download them one by one. That’s why we have big gap in scripts since the death of RTS forum. Even if you have a script and there is no trace of it you have to prove it was free and who made it. And at the end someone can say it’s their script and it has to be deleted. Jeez, these scripts are sometimes 8 years old, that’s stupid.
You can actually already do this. If you would like for your posts to reach a much smaller audience, you can setup a group DM with only the members who follow you.