This is an almost year-old discussion, but it keeps happening with different people for various reasons, including small edits on a bunch of topics to change tags, small edits on a bunch topics to change some detail inside the topic…
It’s annoying, and I would even say unfair, when someone can just do small edits to a bunch of topics and bump them all back to the top, flooding the section and reducing the visibility of newer scripts from other people.
If it’s about changing the tags, we don’t need a bump for that, people will find the topic when searching the tags. If it’s about changing some small information in many topics, most of the time it’s not something worth bumping vs the flood it creates.
The only reasonable instance where a bump seems right is when there’s an update (maybe a new version for the script was added to the topic or maybe the script is going from paid to free), but in those cases the bump could be done by replying to the topic and saying there’s an update instead of being triggered by the edit.
I already use it, but my point is more about having defaults be reasonable.
It’s not that uncommon to see a surge of bumped posts just after some people posted something, which by default reduces visibility by a lot. I know the feature to filter by new exists, but it’s not the default (unless it could be made to be?).
This is especially true when the main page has limited space and someone fills it with bumps.
In case of lolols topics the bumps make sense because they were in the paid section before and they made their scripts for free (which you already said is reasonable), but also not sure what triggered you to post it now (except for some edits lolol did there is nothing obvious). Otherwise yeah there are some actors on here that obviously game the system here and there in the paid section, but imo it’s pretty rare the last few weeks.
The frontpage is cool, but I recommend always surfing through free and paid section. You can also always see the last threads you’ve stopped at.
Last time this was brought up the answer given was to report the topics if you believe to to be malicious. However I did suggest at that time to make it possible to view based on topic creation date which I suggest again now as an way to prevent it malicious or not:
The other thing too with using “new” is that it only puts stuff as being there if it was created recently in the last few days. So that doesn’t help if you are inactive for a week or two.
You can try to use the search system to help since it displays based on last post however there’s no way to get the thumbnails to show via it: Search results for '#scripts:free-scripts in:unseen order:latest' - EroScripts
I would be in support of this. The only activity that should bump a topic should be new replies. Edits by themselves should not. If a scripter is introducing an additional version of a script, it would be acceptable for them to post a reply to the topic as well as editing their original post. So they get the bump that way.
This would stop bumps for inconsequential changes such as post edits for minor corrections, changing tags and so forth.
In principle, that ought to make bumps for bumping’s sake more obvious, as OP’s posting non-significant posts to cause a bump should be easier to see.
That’s actually part of the reason I’m suggesting this! You can’t know and can’t prove if it’s done maliciously in the current way the forum works. If the bump became optional, it would be a deliberate action instead of a side effect, and would help a lot with that.
And that’s the other reason I’m suggesting this - the default effect. A good system will always assume the majority of users will use the defaults they’re given, without straying from that path. This means that defaults shape the way users see and interact with content, which in turn brings forth the question about how mass bumps hurt overall visibility.
I kind of like the idea to avoid abuse. With Paid it’s a little tricky because it’s both more prone to abuse and more prone to not having any replies in the thread, leading to having to self-bump. A self-bump makes the intent more obvious, though, whether it’s a change worth bumping your post to the top for, or not.
I think people should genuinely have to do a self-bump to their post, saying what type of stuff they added/changed/etc.
I dunno how I feel about it yet, because I kind of like reviving old threads and checking the Latest along with the New section.
I am in favor of this. Its unfortunately not a perfect solution.
Discourse is shit software and the option doesn’t exist. There is other settings that can accomplish this bit it’s very ghetto.
Best I can do is configure a couple settings to be unreasonably long and it’s not ideal right now I’ve set bumping to only be possible after 604800 seconds (1 week)
I can set this to longer but there’s another 2 settings that need to change.
So uh as this isn’t the first problem we have with Discourse that’s an [insert your favorite pain phrase here] like with trying to get a better host/servers due to us getting 10k+ daily users and you said:
I gotta ask any updates on this…has an alternative even been found?
I see only a custom plugin as being the way to solve the bumping for the sake of bumping as an week limit is an good band-aid but does affect those whom have ADHD like symptoms of committing an edit and then remembering or spotting something else they need to edit and the grace period expires.
Also we’ve had this problem for over a year so what’s a few months more of the problem? (I’m glad it’s getting more seriously looked at)
Would a plugin be able to reset the bump date after an edit is made to the last post in a topic? Maybe that could solve the issue in a non-super wacky way (but I’m not sure if that’s how Discourse works).
It would still be kinda wacky because the post would get bumped and then unbumped, but maybe that would be enough?
I normally edit a lot of my posts, for example when payment sites go down like it happened first with Gumroad and then Sellix, removing dead links, updating them with live ones, or usually just to remove the icon after a few weeks I have posted a script. This would bump my threads constantly, and because my collection is extensive it would bump a crap ton of threads; so what I do is having just one comment after the OP and that prevents it. I usually post what I plan on scripting next or what I’ve scripted previously. So when I make changes to the OP later on, it doesn’t bump. A few weeks ago I unintendedly bumped one of my scripts because I was removing the icon from the title from a bunch of them and in this one I apparently had forgotten to post anything below. Maybe an automated post by a bot with some sort of information could do this? Basically that’s what I do as a workaround but manually.
Making a post to prevent the topic itself from being the last post was something I initially thought about, but I think it can be a bit confusing to have an automated post on every script topic and is a quite hacky solution… on Reddit, some subreddits do have automatic AutoModerator replies though, so it could work if it was something hidden like they do there.
(In any case, I appreciate a lot that you were already dealing with this issue in your own way to prevent spam.)
@Polt Just to clarify your suggesting that when an topic is made an bot or something splits it up so the first post is just an thumbnail and title 1st post with an 2nd post automatically made which has the actual content?
Not splitting anything, just an automated first reply that could lock bumping threads when the OP’s are edited. I don’t really know what the message could be but maybe some sort of hidden automated message like @Splime suggests? Otherwise it could be something like “This is a free/paid script. Remember to leave feedback after you try it”. I don’t know, but as long as there is a single reply, the OP’s won’t bump on edits.
By the way, I mean this mostly for paid scripts. The free scripts usually have comments so it doesn’t matter. However, in the paid section, it’s very common that threads have no replies at all.
about no alternatives.
icon after a few weeks I have posted a script. This would bump my threads constantly, and because my collection is extensive it would bump a crap ton of threads; so what I do is having just one comment after the OP and that prevents it. I usually post what I plan on scripting next or what I’ve scripted previously. So when I make changes to the OP later on, it doesn’t bump. A few weeks ago I unintendedly bumped one of my scripts because I was removing the