I have nothing but appreciation and respect for the contributors in this community and the loss of Husky really stings.
I had no idea how passionately he felt about the situation.
It is pretty clear that we need to have this discussion if we are to prevent/recover from any similar situations in the future.
It is a little different from what is being recommended in this topic. The site is a group of scripters but not all scripters are part of RealSync.
It sounds like the feature we are discussing isn’t even really an option on Discourse anyways If I am hearing @hugecat right. That is a shame because it sounds like we stand to benefit from having tiers of access to the content on this site.
Haha ScriptAxis is my site! I’m not getting any advertising revenue or data out of it, it exists entirely to help the community, although right now it’s still in very early Beta, which is why it’s still a little stealth-mode.
There’s a long post about it on EroScripts if you want to know more about my motivation / thinking behind the site
I actually wonder if there’s some role ScriptAxis could play in all of this, since I wrote the site myself I could create any kind of restriction features that we might want.
It is possible to restrict content to certain tiers by having the posts exist in separate categories. For example, it could be something like all scripts exist in the ‘open’ category for a month, and then are automatically moved to some kind of ‘archive’ category that’s only accessible to TL2 or higher members.
If something like that were to happen I would think that the requirements for TL2 would need to be lowered slightly (especially the whole ‘visit for 15 days total’ thing), and there would need to be some very hard to ignore messaging in the site interface somehow to make sure users understand that by doing a few simple things they’ll have access to a far larger library of scripts. I’m sure many users don’t know how to do basic stuff like check their messages, and they probably wouldn’t click a stickied topic either…
Jesus, I didn’t even realise this was happening while I was typing my other comment above - I wish he had brought his troubles out more clearly… That makes me truly sad
I just feel like everyone that creates an account should have access to the entire forum. It doesn’t really make sense to do anything else. I thought the whole point of the forum was the easiest access out of anywhere for interactive script content. I think we all want first time users to come here and find things easily instead of ending up on Pornhub with an interaction that is not synced to par at best.
This could be a good idea and motivate the community to come together or it could totally fail and just make people move to another community, implementation would probably be the deciding factor.
I should just accept the internet as it is. To be honest, on other sites I am also a lurker and don’t contribute. I can’t be an active member on every site as I just don’t have the time to be everywhere. So maybe those lurkers on our site are active somewhere else and create something we or others like. Who knows…
I realy like if people sharing their work for free no matter on which website. Thats also why I don’t wan’t money for my own app or scripts. It’s just my way to give the internet something back.
I am sad to see Husky leaving
Honestly, as I’m beginning to wrap my head around this… - If this community is so completely open-minded about the decision/option to either share creations for free or to sell them for a price, why is there even a discussion about additionally restricting the free content?..
Why not just sell your creation then, if you want to “get” something out of it?..
I’m sorry - I probably shouldn’t be this judgemental, as I haven’t even shared script creations myself!
I just suddenly began to wonder…
I mean there basically already exists that option to restrict your content to a group of “more appreciative users”, right?
The main themes I am hearing are as follows:
Leave all free scripts complete open access as long as they are a member of the community
We all want to see more scripter meaning more content
Scripting is easier now than ever all it takes is the desire to learn and improve your process.
I agree that any other option other than leaving the free content completely open is the best choice for the growth of the community.
The topic will continue to be monitored and we will make the move the community wants to make.
Thanks for speaking up @everyone
Maybe you guys could add pop up windows asking people to leave feedback on posts if they don’t meet some sort of quota, just to push the idea across. Maybe add a shiny badge or something for frequent commenters.
You can just write something like this in any script release by yourself or create an image that shows a shiny text. If users ignore this then a popup will also don’t help.
I have created the metatdata tag with a few other devs to improve this behaviour and make it easier to get back to the topic. I always found it hard to find the topic again to post my feedback.
Now I just have to click a link in HandyControl to be redirected to the release page of the script. I just wish more people would use that feature and add metadata when they script something. OFS also does support it.
Really cool, it should become the standard…
I’m sure most scripters just don’t know about this yet! Awareness about it should be raised considerably, for it to gain foothold.
Will the metadata also be displayed to viewers in FT’s Scriptplayer or JoyFunPlayer?
Do you have to click a button to turn it visible?
If so, I think it should automatically be displayed with the script by default in any player - so it truly can’t be missed.
Like this it would certainly drive more people to actively engage with the community, at least in the long run.
Maybe we have to ask @Liquid, @Khrull and @raser1 about it as I don’t know how far they are with implementing.
In HandyControl you see it in the log window once you load a script which has those information. You can also open the Metadata Editor to view it.
Well, it’s in there but I have no idea if someone is using it or not …
For everyone, who wants scripts for certain users:
Please try to imagine how it is, for the other users. Especially a new user. They would face a new community, where a certain group of people are not allowed to get the content. They will feel like second class users. When I first got my Handy and found out about scripts and found the old RTS forum, I felt like a kid on Christmas Eve. So many great scripts for so many great videos. I was so happy I found it. If certain scripts would have been available for just a certain group of people, I may would have thought, that this community has a problem with elitism. I may wouldn’t have felt welcomed to the community.
I am repeating myself on this. We as the creators have to change our mindset. The problem are not the users, who aren’t active or who don’t give feedback. It’s our expectation, that might be too high. We have to learn to accept, that we don’t get as much appreciation, as we would like to have. And we have to be more happy about all the feedback and appreciation we are actually getting. Focusing more on the good, rather than the negative. More on what we have and less on what we don’t have.
I repeat myself again. I understand everybody, who wants more appreciation in any kind. I want it as well. But restricting scripts from a certain group of users won’t help and won’t help us in the long way. If somebody don’t want to release scripts anymore, I do understand. And if they want to send a script just to certain people in their friend list and send them a link, where they can download the script, that’s fine as well. Their script, their work, their decision who get’s it or don’t.
I think my initial idea came out wrong and I totally understand all the people who think it would create some form of exclusivity. And you are totally right - creating artificial barriers won’t stop people who want to download those scripts anyway and it would affect new users who wouldn’t understand how the things are working and why they have to get some stupid milestones to get to the part of the content here.
I do agree with the statement that people who create content should not expect anything in return as I mostly did during this past year. I always created scripts for the videos I liked in the first place and sharing them was something extra that I could do to brighten some days of others.
But it’s not always on content creators to try to keep their positive attitude. The whole negative mindset I got was from a few individuals who notoriously were sending me PMs with requests (for free, how else…) or asking about ETA for my WIP scripts that I was posting for other scripters in the first place so they won’t lose their time creating the same scripts. Like it matters if the script will be released tomorrow or next month - when it will be ready it will be ready, if you want it faster you can always try do it yourself.
This kind of behaviour started to be so apparent lately that it led to the feel of pressure, then the things just escalated to the current situation. Even tho I politely refused taking requests every time (there is a whole section for it btw) some people couldn’t understand it and were sending me PMs over and over again thinking their requests are somehow special or maybe they will be able to take advantage of the fact that I’m sharing my scripts for free. I understand that everyone wants to have the script for their favorites scenes asap and while their intentions could be all good I ended up feeling naive, with the doubt that maybe being too generous led to the current situation and was not the best idea whatsoever. Most people probably don’t experience this kind of behaviour so it might be hard to understand, but this was my most current point of view, and while there are numerous people who are supportive and great here it definitely felt odd.
So I became maybe a little too angry over this and decided to delete all my work from here. In an act of emotion I didn’t think this through and in the end it didn’t hurt those people since they probably downloaded all my scripts long time ago, but it hurt or will hurt normal folks who just want a script for their favorite video for their toys.
But there are also some positives from this situtation - I got rid of those random numbers next to my name. I will soon try to recreate my portfolio with one Mega link for all my past scripts like I had before and will recreate my video tutorial post for OFS - it was made for people of this community in the first place anyway.
All in all I will definitely take a longer break from scripting to cool things off and I will see how the things will go and if I want to get back to it or not.
HUSKY Thank you for coming back.
You are one of the members who’s posts I always read and I have all your scripts I have seen because they are all top quality, and quite varied both in script and content of the videos.
Please take your time and relax! I personally cannot understand the impatience of some members when there are at least 5 to 10 new scripts every day!
I thought so, that something “triggered” you that lead to these posts and decisions. It’s understandable though. You are known for your very well done VR scripts, posting them for free. You post them frequently. VR videos become more and more popular, as the result the demand for scripts grows. And to who do they come, if they want free high quality scripts? Right, Husky. I can imagine, that you get a lot of requests, via PM. Even though it probably felt flattering in the first place, but after a while you feel the pressure. And this will lead to a burn out. Our human nature is, to focus more on the negativity, instead of the positivity.
We should also not forget, that scripting VR videos is different, from “normal” videos. Videos are way longer and have much more variety in it. They are often tedious to script and take double so long or even longer, than a “normal” video to script. I have lots of respect for everyone, who scripts VR videos. Something I will never attempt to, because of the more tedious nature. These people messaging you and are demanding towards you don’t know the work you put into a script. They never attempt to create a script and don’t know the work behind it (which is fine, but they need to acknowledge, that there is a lot of work behind scripting).
Taking a break is the right thing to do and it’s good you realized you need a break. You will get your energy and passion back and may start again and will have fun again. Take all your time you need. I am glad you are back.
Didn’t know what was going on behind your door.
Thanks for being back. This made my day
I am absolutely okay with a site rule that prohibits requests for free content via Private/Direct messages.
We have a whole category for requests so their is no reason why someone should be reaching out directly for free content IMO.
Let me know what you guys think please.
@Realcumber @jacecolm @DabMerino @Teasey @Slibowitz @Dungeon_Master @Galbine @Liquid @sentinel @Lucifie
sorry for anyone I missed.
Has any one else been experiencing this kind of behavior? I find it hard to believe that this is an isolated incident.
I get pm’s for requests pretty regularly. Sometimes I say yes, sometimes no. Haven’t had any issues in that regard (being nagged that is).