What are you going on about with the whitelist and blacklist? A PMV tagged with trans with a user who mutes the trans tag won’t show up in their feed. Users should also remain aware of what they are clicking on and if they end up seeing something they don’t fancy that’s the users error. The home interface is set to categories which doesn’t show thumbnails if you’re concerned with anyone seeing unwanted content upon first entering the site. I agree with ATFM that the way of self censoring content is substantial and if there is an improvement to be made it would be a prompt upon first creating an account with the extra adage of muting tags as a training tutorial.
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It’s amazing how people are so quick to try to ruin things for others because they personally dislike it. Like this thread was made with the pretense to simply ban anything ““legally questionable”” without even the chance of discussing ways to get it out of the way of users who didn’t want to see it. Thankfully, other users at least tried to pick up the slack and propose real solutions involving tagging/filters.
I’m definitely all for making it so that people don’t have to view stuff they aren’t into, but who made you king of this site OP? Your argument pretends to be objective by citing the idea of legal ambiguity when it comes to things like loli. But I’m sure there’s a lot of porn or hell even non-lewd things that you have consumed that are most assuredly illegal in other countries. Should your media be censored/removed to be accessible to them? I don’t think you’d agree if this was something you were into. Moreover, If this was illegal where the site was hosted then eroscripts would be down already.
But the reality is you are just trying to say that you don’t like those things… which is fine. but don’t try and masquerade your opinions and feelings as some moral obligation that we should be ashamed for not following. It’s disingenuous arguing that way and it’s not going to convince anyone that wasn’t already in agreement with you when you try to imply that.
The real problem is tagging, which honestly is a bit troublesome. Stuff doesn’t always get properly tagged and there are often multiple tags for the same thing, which can lead to people seeing stuff they might not want to. I think having the discussion be about that would be much more productive than the endless argument of “is loli okay or not”; which is a discussion that’s probably going to go until the heat death of the universe.
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As far as I’m concerned, there’s no need to not “tolerate” something that is legal in the United States. While imperfect historically, when it comes to preserving individual freedoms, it is head and shoulders above all other nations in the world when it comes to preserving freedom of expression today.
That said, I want to address some really bad misinformation I’ve seen several people post. Pornography does not cause people to undertake actions of any kind. Just as consumption of violent entertainment does not cause people to become violent. This isn’t an opinion. This is an observed fact.
When you look at the possessions of someone who has been convicted of a crime, and find “entertainment” products related to that crime, this does not show a cause and effect relationship. It is a basic and, frankly speaking, idiotic logical fallacy to think such a relationship does exist. People who commit violent crimes are people who enjoy violence. They will have violent media in their possession for the same reason. It’s a common cause scenario - predisposition to violence creates a likelihood of consuming violent media and perpetrating violence.
Same scenario applies when talking about sex crimes. Someone convicted of rape is someone predisposed to sexual violence. It’s likely that this predisposition will cause said person to also be in possession of rape-base pornography, whether fictional or real. There’s no causal relationship between the consumption of that media and the crime. There’s a common cause shared between the two.
And the same applies to sex crimes specifically tied to abnormal psychology such as pedophilia (which is a state of mind, not an action, just like homosexuality). It would be almost unheard of for a person convicted of sexually abusing a pre-pubescent child to not have pornography depicting such behavior. Again, there’s no causal relationship there. It’s a common cause leading to both the possession of such material and the commission of such crimes.
These are basic facts about human psychology which anyone can see from personal experience with just a little thought. Just recall what happened when you were really angry at some point in the past and ended up throwing something, punching a wall, etc. You felt less angry after the outlet. That’s how humans operate - provide an outlet, and the emotional pressure releases. I don’t think I need to explain how this likewise applies to sexual arousal, given the site we’re on.
So when it comes to behaviors we absolutely do not want present in society, allowing a virtual outlet is the correct answer. Some people are going to offend regardless. Most will not offend regardless (i.e. almost none of the people who suffer from pedophilia ever do anything to a child). In between are people balancing on an edge, and if you give them an outlet for their pent-up desires, they’ll avoid doing any actual harm. If you deny them such an outlet, you’ll increase the likelihood of them doing harm.
People arguing against loli or other deviant content have no rational leg to stand on. If no real person was hurt in the production of something, there’s no actual harm - quite the opposite, for the reasons I outline above. If you don’t like a particular kind of content, then just ignore it. If you live in a backwards nation which criminalizes even being exposed to such content (which does not include any first-world nations, hyperbolic claims here notwithstanding), then you’re probably not legally allowed to be here at all. Either go do something else, or get yourself a good VPN.
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There’s already a community standard for tolerated content, and currently according to the poll 51% of people seem to agree on it. There is a tag system that lets you avoid all of this - USE IT! I say this as someone who avoids all content mentioned in the poll like the plague - with the one-off exception of what I’m about to discuss below.
There are a number of things about all this I find incredibly disingenuous, but let’s focus on just one. Let’s see if OP is so keen on having a ‘discussion’ when it’s not going his way. Despite advocating for all these topics being banned, his activity on this site is interesting (read: deplorably hypocritical).
OP voted for handy integration on this game. The first post has links to the sex scenes, such as this one (WARNING: loli content). Can OP tell us how old the girl is at the 2 minute mark of that link? How about at 35:05? Can OP explain why animations of sex with these characters is OK when they look so young?
The second link in that post has parts where the character turns into a dog that runs around on all fours and gets fucked - oh wait I’m sorry, It’s OK because weird succubus magic turned the player into a ‘furry’, not an actual dog, right? Guess we’ll have to ban that game.
He voted for handy integration on this game. The very first post there has a link to the sex scenes, (WARNING: contains some very non-consensual looking sex acts and sex with fantasy animals). It’s telling that OP goes out of his way in his post to say that fake animals/monsters are fine, but real ones or not. Saying ‘it’s actually a flying impregnation wasp monster so it’s OK, it just looks like an animal’ seems real close to the ‘she’s actually a 12000 year old dragon so it’s OK, she just looks like a child’ logic in my book. Guess we’ll have to ban that game too.
Oh, OP doesn’t agree because he likes furries and fantasy animal fucking? I guess he missed what Defucilis said in the last topic discussing this:
consider in that topic that banning lolicon because it’s offputting to a majority of users might mean banning other kinds of content that is similarly offputting
If others consider that character to be a dog instead of a ‘furry’, well I guess that’s too bad for OP.
Let’s set a community standard for hypocrisy. I don’t think OP meets it. This is what happens when you move to ban content you don’t like OP, it can be a hell of a double edged sword.
So, what do we want to ban again?
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Discourse seems to priotize watching over muted. Need someone to confirm this is still the case.
For example, a user enjoying HMV but not furry may add hmv to their watched list and furry to their muted list. A topic about furry-themed HMV has both of these tags, it will show up in their Latest because they are watching hmv.
My solution is not to use the automatic watch/track feature for tags. Instead add these tags to your navigation menu and access them from there. Browsing this way will respect your muted tag. You can also turn on the unread counts in your settings.
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Absolutely hit the nail on the head! As far as I’m concerned, if no REAL person was harmed in the making/distribution of a thing, that thing is okay, no exceptions (Unless I’m missing something very obvious).
I want to circle back to the original post and content that sparked this debate. This thread. And in particular this video from DLsite [3DCGI Loli Warning]
I believe the argument was that it’s more realistic than most 2D loli art that is posted here, but I simply cannot see how any functioning human being could mistake this for a real person.
I believe this content should be allowed, how it should be tagged I guess would be up to moderators, but I personally think the loli tag is sufficient.
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The topic has a tag that I’m watching, and no tags that I would deem concerning - hentai game titfuck machine femdom succubus for the reference of people not clicking through. Since this is just a request, I did open it to upvote on autopilot and move on. As a rule, I don’t watch 2-hour sex scene compilations to make sure that a topic has been tagged accurately. Or spend time reading/watching previews in general, otherwise I wouldn’t be near 3k topics viewed in 2d read time.
I’ll keep this in mind for the integration, however, which was released and also lacks the tags that your post is implying, thank you.
The same story with this game - I upvoted a request with a futanari tag and moved on with my browsing without making sure to watch a 40-minute video. If it has scenes involving something plausibly resembling real animals, I’m perfectly content with including it in my proposal. Which is precisely why I don’t feel particularly hypocritical about the premise of this topic - animated bestiality is not illegal where I’m at, but I recognise that it ought to not be the same for a lot of other people here. Contrary to what some posts allege, my goal is to maximize the number of existing ES users that don’t consider visiting or recommending the site to others to be genuinely risky.
What is a bit hypocritical, on the other hand, is a user with a private activity profile poring over activity profiles of others to start shit.
I’ll say it again, this is utter bullshit, there is absolutely no legal risk to anyone simply visiting this site, zero. Stop using this as the backbone to your arguments. The legality of this is not in question.
You’re trying to take the moral highground on what is a censorship issue, you are not going to die from seeing a loli, I’m not going to die from seeing ‘trans pill popper gooning PMV #54’
I have zero interest in gay or trans scripts, but I would not dare take that away from anyone who does like it.
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I’m personally indifferent to this stuff being banned. I don’t like the content and have no interest in seeing anything about this type of content in my daily scroll through the site. However, I am someone that likes freedoms to be pretty open-ended for people even when I don’t necessarily agree or downright dislike what someone else does with their freedom.
So if we would rather embrace the “cosmic fairness” argument, I think there should be a toggleable filter in account settings that has this content’s viewability off by default so that new members won’t see it unless they manually enable the ability to view it. This would make it possible for the people interested in that content to still have this forum to share their stuff, but it won’t impede everyone else’s experience on the site.
Alternatively, you could make a rule that disallows any thumbnails or gif to be in these posts. That way we won’t have to see any visual media of it if a post including this stuff shows up in the feed or search results mixed in with normal results.
Edit:
After some more reflection, discussion and thought about what is essentially a grey-area censorship issue. I can understand why these topics are in a grey area: they exist on a border of illegal content which can spark some feeling of justification for banning them outright. However, because the legality is not in question at all here like the OP explains, I believe we must preserve the freedoms for all people that choose to use this site and avoid a slippery slope of censorship.
It looks like the best course of action is not to ban anything unless it poses direct legal action against the owners of eroscripts, and instead grant us an easy to use blacklist tagging system that hides posts with certain tags from our view. I don’t know how difficult/easy something like that is to implement or if it’s even possible on the current framework that the search feature functions on. Ultimately, I fully support whatever decision eroscript’s owners and moderators choose to do going forward.
I disagree, I think having anything off by default is bad for discoverability, people can grow some thick skin and see something they don’t like once, before blacklisting it.
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That’s fair, I didn’t think of that. I definitely have thick enough skin to agree with that.
I guess then I’d mainly just want an easy to find, blacklist option.
(If there is a blacklist option already available, I’m sorry I honestly didn’t know)
I hope you know and can see that those are two very different things (comparing Loli content with Gay/Trans content). What’s wrong with certain tags being muted so that our community can grow a bit more? We had people leave this community already cause of that content being visible on the front page. Not to mention that one of our biggest members on here had some trouble a few days ago cause of that content and now he has to clear house and fix everything up a bit for his Patreon.
Thick skin yadayada. I am not even sure why I did comment on your post with you just having joined two days ago and then also being a stalker with looking up others activities and posts… Were you already one of our members? 
Slightly off-topic with this comment.
The top 4 posters to this thread have contributed zero scripts, are not patrons, and have only requested scripts; Perhaps they have purchased scripts from other users. Food for thought when it comes to proposing rules to a “community” that you don’t really involve yourself in.
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That’s just the 1% rule. Of course the majority of people in a community are just consumers, that doesn’t mean they aren’t important. Without the 90% you don’t have a community.
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Ppl are mad bcs they dont wanna see smth, bruh just turn it off in tags Lol
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Nah, Elinor Ostrom is much better at setting out what it takes when it comes to maintaining Commons than some silly wiki-rule. Those 90% lurkers and consumers could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn’t notice.
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Seems the solution would be to have each new member receive no access to any content until they choose the tags they would like to have access to. Then as an extra input to make it feel like authentic security a second level secret code could be texted to that user.
Is there a “sarcastic” emoji?
I love this place. Really!!
The default search for a new user should ignore certain tags deemed by the community to be “non-standard” or “fringe”. If someone wants and is looking for that content, then they can go and find it. Personally, I don’t think loli/shota has any place in any form anywhere, and I find the consumption/creation of it abhorrent; so in terms of eroscripts, I’d gladly have that content banned.
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Its sad that it has to be solved like that, but at least the workaround works except for 1 thing: I only had the watch first post setting, and now it just follows all updates. So i need to pay more attention to what actualy is new.
